What is the Value of "Made In USA" for SD Pickups?

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Well excuse me, but there's a toyota truck plant a few miles from my house. American workers are making money working there.

I don't care if the fenders are made in japan, almost all chevies are completely made in canada.



Most chevrolets are still Made in the U.S. with most of the parts made in the U.S.
 
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OK guys, this is really great. Please try to stay on topic. Thanks and keep those comments coming!
 
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I did have a long political and business oriented post thought out, but don't care to reiterate what other's have said, and probably said better than I would. Put simply:

I buy American made Seymour Duncan pickups to get closer to the American tones of my favourite American guitarists.

I've never heard anybody ask which pickups will help them sound like Hideaki Tokunaga.
 
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USA means quality and constency to me. I try to buy USA whenever I can, and pickups are one of the few guitar products that I can afford. If SD was to start building in Asia I would buy some other high quality, USA made pickup for over SD
 
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Quote Mephis "almost all chevies are completely made in Canada."
...as a Canadian, remind me not to buy a Chevie ! ( just joking...a little)

I think that Seymour Duncan is a well respected company that has earned this respect from players/guitar enthisiasts/luthiers/etc. "Made in USA", to me, is generally associated with high quality and very often with excellent customer support/customer relations. (The SD website and forum are perfect examples)

This is a small part of what "Made in USA" is all about for me. A business, IMHO, ALWAYS needs to be proud of their employees, products and services. "Made in USA" is a way of stating the above for the business.

My humble contribution might be viewed as the obvious, but many successful businesses have been built on, and have maintained their success, on the obvious.

My hat is off to the many excellent, well written contributions from so many of the members of this forum.

Dave
 
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most of the parts of the "guitar" is not american ,even the oil is not American they use to make the paint!!!so please try to see it as "global" point ,not the American patriotism.I am not against it don't get me wrong.But it is not true that the made in U.S.A or as i said before even Made in Germany is the "sign" or guarantee of quality.Think of Gibson ,and you will get the idea.
I will buy SD products if they produce them on mars or wahtnot.But if i see any drop in any quality ,then i can change my mind.
It is like GIANT bikes.MAny people think they are American or German.But they are from Asia with a suberb quality.Made in China is another great topic to discuss ,but on this particular topic ,i have to say that many of you use and buy many good products out of America and they serve you guys well.Many chips ,pcb's and whatnot are not American made and even Intel and Microsoft are not AMERICAN anymore.The world is round and the globalism is strong.Know How is more expencive than production ,and with the right facilities (like Jackson and ibanez ,tama and pearl ,yamaha and kawasaki ) you can make the best products all over the world.
And pleace don't tell me that your computers are made in U.S.A!!!and they work well!!Right?The only part that mostly sucks is the Windows!!!Pure oddity;O)
 
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Of course there are economies to be had by outsourcing production but I think that SD's reputation would suffer. SD would have to drop prices to encourage volume sales and once again its reputation would suffer. Whether quality control is lacking or not with foreign production the perception will be there that it is lacking. Its hard to repair reputation. If you look at the reputation of the Duncan Designed pickups it is not hard to imagine what a change to foreign production would lead too!
 
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To me, it means a sustained, high level of quality, stability and the caring human touch in the processes which is vital to me.
 
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The Duncan company has a much more personal feel than just about any other company I can think of. I can go on the website (forum aside) and see pictures of Seymour, MJ, Scott Miller, etc. at work. I can call up the Customer Service line or the Custom Shop and know that those offices are right in with everything else.

Let me mention the original SDUGD. What other company would do that, and if Duncan went to China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. How would that sort of thing happen?

Even if Customer Service, Custom Shop, Administration and R&D stayed stateside, the company couldn't hope to keep such a personal feeling as it does now. That means a lot to me.
 
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Santa Barbara USA means a heck of a lot to me! :6:

Seriously, it means a lot to me. I know that Duncan pickups are the best in the world, and I have owned plenty of them. I especially like the custom shop.

If it works, don't fix it? Maybe that idea does not apply to the world as it used to, but the Duncan company is not your average, generic manufacturer.
 
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Evan,

A lot of the value to me has already been posted.

One I haven't seen yet that comes to the forefront of my mind is "Made in America" indicates to me that the pickups have been assembled under Seymour's watchful eye. The same place the R&D takes place...with the same desire or end goal to produce the elusive tone the pickup was intended to. That is likely why SD pickups are so consistent and high quality.

I've always associated "Duncan Designed" with 'Seymour has given you the blueprint so the pickup has the same potential; however the end result is up to the manufacturer/assembler.' This is what would concern me most about non-MIA SD pickups.

BTW, this a great topic (& opportunity) and yet another great example of SD's commitment to the users of SD products!
 
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Seymour Duncan could possibly move production to a cheaper part of the US. Santa Barbara is one of the most expensive places on the planet.
 
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IMHO, just because something is made in America does not always guarantee quality. On the other hand, something made abroad doesn't always equate to cheap quality.

Of the hundreds of Duncans I've sold, only 1 (yes 1!!) has come back D.O.A. That speaks volumes.

The bottom line is that SD Company produces a great product, in the USA, competitvely priced, which to me is all the better!
 
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IMHO, just because something is made in America does not always guarantee quality. On the other hand, something made abroad doesn't always equate to cheap quality.

Of the hundreds of Duncans I've sold, only 1 (yes 1!!) has come back D.O.A. That speaks volumes.

The bottom line is that SD Company produces a great product, in the USA, competitvely priced, which to me is all the better!
Yeah thats the point.Only quality counts!!!
 
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MIA doesn't automatically indicate quality to me. There are plenty of examples of offshore products being higher quality then their American counterparts, for less money. I drive a Subaru because I couldn't afford the time off from work to constantly take the Chevy to the shop.

On the other hand, there are plenty of people out there who will pay more for American products of lesser quality.

I've played guitar for 35 years, and owned Gibsons, Fenders (MIA, MIJ, & MIM), Dean, Hamer, Schecter. I presently own two guitars: an MIM Fender and a combination Korean Schecter body with a MIM Fender neck. I own them because for my purposes (intermediate player playing for pleasure at home) the additional "value" of MIA instruments is not great as the additional cost.

Both guitars have Duncans in them, though. I bought my first Duncan in 1983, and don't think I've bought another brand of aftermerket pickups since. To me, Duncan (to date, "USA Duncan") means quality and consistency. It means good technical information (advertising, catalogs, website), which allows me to make informed decisions. When I make a purchase, I generally find the literature accurately describes the products and more often than not I'm happy with my purchase. I think I've taken advantage of the 21-day return policy only twice in over 20 years.

I'm sure it's possible to make quality pickups in other countries, but I wonder about the consistency. Without Seymour, Scott, MJ, and others around, how can SD the company ensure that each pickup gets made right?

Case in point: When I bought my Schecter goldtop PT, it came loaded with a Duncan Designed HB103 set. Both pickups had HB103 labels right on them. Schecter's website and Duncan's website agree : "The HB-103 was patterned after the SH-6 Duncan Distortion™ set."

According to the Duncan tone chart, the Distortion neck pickup is 12.7 k ohms. But my pickup measured only 8 k. When Seymour and Scott came to toen, I took the guitar along and had a chance to talk about it with Scott, wondering if he could tell me what it was. But he flat-out didn't know - the specs didn't match up with reality. Finally, as Seymour was setting up for the jam session, he and Scott gave it a listen. They proclaimed it a "Ceramic Jazz", since Seymour could hear the ceramic magnet and the coil resistance was in line with a Jazz.

So, here's an offshore pickup with Duncan's name on it, that is completely off from its published specs. SD needs to figure out how to prevent that kind of problem if its going to manufacture off-shore.

As an American, I would really prefer to buy American, but I'm not willing to accept sub-standard products just because they are American. I think SD is unusual in that they are an American company with better quality than their foreign competitors. For that, I'm willing to pay.

It seems we have to differentiate between China and other countries. I've worked in China a couple times (once for 7 months) and came away with the impression that they don't play by the same rules as everybody else. The intellectual property issues that are in the news so much are a glaring reflection of that. Though not quite as adamant as Zerb, I consciously try to avoid anything made in China (unless I need cheap throw-away tubes for troubleshooting). Mostly this means not shopping at Walmart.

Long story short - I'm a loyal SD USA customer, but I put more stock in the 'SD' part than the 'USA'. I would be highly suspect of SD without the USA; the company would have to prove itself to me all over again. I'd probably be willing to try other brands in between.

Stay American, and I'll pay the premium for SD products. I wish the USA had more companies I could say that about.
 
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Stay American, and I'll pay the premium for SD products. I wish the USA had more companies I could say that about.

Well said.
 
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A lot of people hit the nail on the head for me. I would love to buy only MIA. It's not that way anymore. MIA doesn't ring up and automatic winner and MI wherever, doesn't ring up an automatic loser.

That being said, I search for MIA stuff before I buy anything else, and when a company I've trusted moves its operations, I feel like they are abandoning the American worker--which I am one of. The American worker, is also the American consumer, so in the long run the company saves money, but less people can buy the product because the money isn't staying in America, and the worker/consumer can't afford to buy it anymore. I know it is all more complex than this, but I think it makes sense.
 
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To me the place that something is made in means nothing, quality and consistency means everything. If you can keep the quality the same and make the product cheaper then by all means do it. With the same strict quality guidelines that you have in place in your current facilities the product will be fine. I'm not saying that it will be possible to move manufacturing overseas without a drop in quality, I'm just saying that if you could provide the same quality at a lower price because of cheaper labour I'd completely support that.

Just a side note: I'm not sure where Dimarzios are made, but I've noticed that Seymour Duncan pickups consistently look to be of higher quality and I find that very reassuring. Often I've seen Dimarzios with the tape not completely covering the coils, or with extra wax leftover on the sides of the pickup, but every Seymour Duncan I have seen looks the way it should and while I don't know what effect that has on tone it definitely helps me be sure that its not just going to break while I'm installing it.

P.S. THE FORUM IS THE BEST IDEA THIS COMPANY HAS EVER HAD, I APPLAUD SEYMOUR DUNCAN FOR HIS DEVOTION TO EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT PICKUPS IN SUCH AN UNBIASED WAY AS LETTING US EDUCATE EACH OTHER.
 
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Yeah...being made in the states is HUGE for me too.

I've been using Duncan's for geez...gotta be close to 14 or 15 years now. Something like that anyway.

We all know there's about $2 in raw materials inside these $80 pickups. That's cool...I equate it with quality in assembly and backing and knowing that all the 'middlemen' like the reps and stores have to make a few bucks on 'em. Plus there's returns and R&D and packaging and all that...

If the pickups were made in China I'd expect prices prices to the end used to drop by a huge margin, at least 1/3 to 1/2. But we ALLLLLLLLLL know that wouldn't happen!

But really man...if Duncan moved to an offshore thing just to save a couple bucks I'd be DONE in a heartbeat.

We'd start seeing Fleabay prices on used USA made pickups go through the roof!

The electric guitar was invented in America. We STILL know how to build this stuff better then anyone else!

If ya'll did move it offshore I'd have to vote for some other country first...like Africa or maybe Japan...someplace where quality still counts for something and the money isn't going to an impoverished 3-world country.



And really....


If that Twin-Tube pedal was made ANYWHERE else...like even South Korea....

I would've bought one.
 
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