What wiring options do I have H+H, Push/Pull, 3-way

[Top-L]

I am rewiring a 2H guitar with a 3 way switch and single volume. I'm adding a push/pull DPDT(?) switch.

The plan was to use it to do a coil split on both HB. (Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this?) I have a guitar like this so I know it's possible.

Is there a way to have one of both of the alternate positions be parallel humbucker instead of coil split?

 

[jeremy]

parallel requires the whole dp/dt switch, where split only needs half. which is why you can split two pups with one dp/dt switch. what kind of 3 way switch is it, gibson style or fender?

 

[Securb]

Wouldn't a five position switch make things easier?

 

[Top-L]

Wouldn't a five position switch make things easier?

Its a gibson style switch with only 3 positions. Cant fit a five way.

 

[jeremy]

that does make it harder, but there is a freeway 6 position switch that might fit and give you more options. im guessing others make something similar too?

https://www.freewayswitch.com/products/

 

[Securb]

Here is an option

https://www.stewmac.com/electronics...haPjUplnK72hOkQc4O5ndOfN8L-BztOMaAkaGEALw_wcB

 

[Securb]

Looks like we posted at the same time

 

[Top-L]

Thanks. I saw those before, but already ordered a replacement 3-way switch. I am fine with just coil splitting both pickups.

With the switch pulled and in the center position, it should be a single from both pickups. Is there a way to use these in parallel? Or would they be series?

 

[jeremy]

itll be the two split coils in parallel with a normal switch

 

[Top-L]

Cool. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? Dont want to take apart the other guitar to imitate it.

 

[ehdwuld]

1=Hot
>4=nothing
2=red/white coil from neck
>5=red/white coil from bridge
3=nothing
>6=ground

 

[Lucius Paisley]

Here is an option

https://www.stewmac.com/electronics...haPjUplnK72hOkQc4O5ndOfN8L-BztOMaAkaGEALw_wcB

Looks like a solution looking for a problem to me, but WTF do I know.

 

[jeremy]

i have a 10 way switch and it does give a bunch of tonal options that a normal 5 way cant

 

[beaubrummels]

Cool. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? Dont want to take apart the other guitar to imitate it.

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[Top-L]

Fantastic!

 

[Top-L]

Final question on this project...

I have wired up the guitar per above, but the coil split is using the outer coils of both pickups, and I would like to use the inner coils. (I cant spin the pickups around because of their colors and also because the bridge is asymmetrical and I want the hotter coil where it is.)

I believe one way to fix this is to reverse the hot and ground wires of both pickups. In the diagram above, hot is black (to switch) and ground is green (to pot). If I reverse those wires, I will get the inner coils. However that also means pretty much rewiring the guitar.

Is there a clever way to do this that does not require so much rewiring? I believe the coil split is just taking the middle of the humbucker (the white/red) and connecting it to ground thus bypassing the second half of the humbucker. If the black and green wires are swapped, it will be using the other half of the humbucker.

Is there any other way?

 

[ehdwuld]

Post #11

The ground causes the split to use outside coils

If it were hot it wokd be inside coils


Alternatively

You can rewire both pickups to

Red hot

Black and green coil connection

White ground

then leave the ground on the push pull
and use the black/green coil connection in place of the red/white one shown

 

[Top-L]

Already did it. I'm using dimarzios so the colors are different.

I'm going to wire all my 2xHB guitars this way.

Final final question. When using the two split singles (inside coils), is it possible for them to be out of phase? I've got the correct coils selected in all positions, but I'm wondering if the two inner coils (parallel) can be out of phase? And if so, what do?

 

[Juanhanglo]

Looks like a solution looking for a problem to me, but WTF do I know.

You'd change your mind once you use one.

I have the tele 3/6 way tele switch in my strat. its super high quality and on par with schaller switches, IMO.

So I only get 6 way switching (b+n), but the layout is superior, again, IMO. B+m+n was never a sound I liked or used very much, so no loss there.

B, b+n, n on the main bank.
push the levers sideways for the 2nd bank and you get:
B+m, m, b+n

For a guy that uses the first 3 mainly, it's a godsend! Want to go from b+n to n/m on a standard setup? It's either 1 click from the neck position and a flick on the mini switch, or 3 click from the bridge position and the same mini click. 2 motions, 1 on each switch.

The freeway is much faster. It's 2 clicks on one switch. That's it. Change banks and 1 click. You lose the time and motions from the 2nd switch.

I also never miss the 2 and 4 sounds by overshooting them. They are at the ends of bank 2. Neck to bridge/middle


in the OP's situation, the freeway lespaul version does the same thing. Go from bridge bucker to neck single in one motion.

they are so easy to use, and very intuitive.

highly recommended.

 

[Top-L]

You'd change your mind once you use one.

I have the tele 3/6 way tele switch in my strat. its super high quality and on par with schaller switches, IMO.

So I only get 6 way switching (b+n), but the layout is superior, again, IMO. B+m+n was never a sound I liked or used very much, so no loss there.

B, b+n, n on the main bank.
push the levers sideways for the 2nd bank and you get:
B+m, m, b+n

For a guy that uses the first 3 mainly, it's a godsend! Want to go from b+n to n/m on a standard setup? It's either 1 click from the neck position and a flick on the mini switch, or 3 click from the bridge position and the same mini click. 2 motions, 1 on each switch.

The freeway is much faster. It's 2 clicks on one switch. That's it. Change banks and 1 click. You lose the time and motions from the 2nd switch.

I also never miss the 2 and 4 sounds by overshooting them. They are at the ends of bank 2. Neck to bridge/middle


in the OP's situation, the freeway lespaul version does the same thing. Go from bridge bucker to neck single in one motion.

they are so easy to use, and very intuitive.

highly recommended.

A while back, I wired one of those Ibanez super switches with a push/pull pot to give ten different sounds. 5x2 = 10. I mean technically this is better, right?

It was a PITA to wire, and frankly I didn't use most of the sounds. Conceptually it was kinda difficult to remember exactly what was happening when switching between another guitar and that one. It was too complicated for its own good.

For my needs in a 2HB guitar, I like a coil split on neck and bridge, and also a parallel sound.