whats so good about point to point handwired

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: whats so good about point to point handwired

I guess I made my point rather clumsily.....only because this topic bores me, I guess. I think what I failed to say was that one main difference is a by-product of mass production. If you're cutting cost by making PCB boards by the thousands, chances are you're also cutting corners by using cheaper components. So StratDeluxer and RID are right, it's not really the differences between how they're wired, so much as it's the quality of WHAT they're wiring together. In general, expensive P to P amps are using top notch components......open up a Crate or Carvin, and you'll see that it's not the PCB hurting the tone....it's the tiny radio-quality components.

As far as reliability, take a cheap amp and push it 3 miles over a cobblestone road, then do the same thing with a HiWatt or Matchless. Tubes aside, the HiWatt and Matchless won't be weakened in the least.

You gotta know that if you don't word something just right,that the crafty guys like myself are gonna catch it buddy! :laugh2:

I prefer PTP wired amps,I know there isn't a tonal difference between the PTP vs PCB providing the circuit is designed right,and it's a pleasure to work on PTP amps,and PCB amps are a pain in a$$ by comparison....Still didn't hear any remarkable tonal differences between a 73 PTP Marshall and the same amp with pcb....Not sure about whether a PTP is stronger than PCB if you dropped it off a mountain? Have you tryed it yet buddy? :laugh2:

Mesa claims there stuff holds up after being dropped off the back of a moving vehicle....I've read this on more than 1 occassion with their PCB amps,plus they use real high quality and thick boards in their amps...My Tremoverb head was like that...Anyway...We still love ya buddy! :dance:

 

[Skarekrough]

Re: whats so good about point to point handwired

There are no tonal differences, copper is copper, flat or round....some mighty fine hi-fi amps uses pcb...and they do not sound remotely weak or inferiour, actually almost nobody hardwires their amps in that buisness

I find it amusing that you chuckleheads will make comments like this and then spend the ****ing nut plus your mortgage on a high-end botique guitar cable.

Which way does it go people?

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: whats so good about point to point handwired

...er well the impedance is quite different with guitar cables, and so is the current
Inside an amp there is hardly shorage of power, but from a guitar to an amp...not much to do with, gotta keep that small thing avaible at the best possible way.

 

[RGN]

Re: whats so good about point to point handwired

When I had PTP Marshall Plexi's they all sounded different.. almost like they were all different amps. With a PCP Uberschall, THD Flexi 50 or VHT 100CL (among others) they all sound nearly identical. Consistency is nice when your head gets stollen and you want to duplicate your tone.

The easier to repair argument is valid when dealing with throw-away PCB amps. However, The hand built PCB assembly construction used on boutique amps like the above are far less likely to need repair than a PTP amp IMO. I don't really see the sense in paying for a PTP head that has $300 worth of $10/hr labor invested. If Reinhold Bogner was going to soldier everything himself it would MAYBE make a little more sense.

I think PTP amps are really nothing more than a marketing tool these days.

 

[Scott_F]

Re: whats so good about point to point handwired

RGN, unless you want your tube sockets and pots mounted directly on circuit boards, the "good" PCB amps are still getting a lot of handwiring as it is. The small amount of time I'd save by have a PCB ready for me to solder good components into is very much minimum.