What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

[zionstrat]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

The trick has been being ready for anything and never having to rely on the venue for sound production or monitoring.

When I played out a lot, making friends with engineers was only chance of getting a good monitor mix... These days I carry a small amp set up in front of me 45 degree angle up and let them mic however they want for mains.

I know I will be able to hear, I don't contribute to stage noise and gigs are pretty consistent.

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[Diego]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

The trick has been being ready for anything and never having to rely on the venue for sound production or monitoring.

And having adequate gear for adequate situations. Playing a small club? Bring a combo.

A friend of mine once gigged a small pub, for 50 people maybe, with a Laney VH100R and a 4x12.
It was such a mess that he sold it two weeks later and bought an Ironheart 60 and a 2x12.
Still a bit overkill-ish but way more manageable.

 

[blaise.brown.7967]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

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[jeremy]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

im kinda fond of my svt5pro
:
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Technical Specifications
OUTPUT POWER RATING
1350 Watts Mono-Bridged @ 4 Ohms (1000 Watts Continuous)
840 Watts Mono-Bridged @ 8 Ohms (680 Watts Continuous)
2 x 675 Watts @ 2 Ohms (500 Watts Continuous)
2 x 420 Watts @ 4 Ohms (340 Watts Continuous)
2 x 255 Watts @ 8 Ohms (205 Watts Continuous)
TONE CONTROL RANGE
Clean Channel
Bass:
20dB range @ 40Hz
Midrange:
21dB range @ 300Hz
Treble:
18dB range @ 10kHz
Ultra Low:
+5dB @ 30Hz
Ultra High:
+7dB @ 15kHz
Overdrive Channel
Bass:
±12dB @ 100Hz
Midrange:
+20dB, -5dB @ 300 – 1.5kHz
Treble:
±12dB @ 7kHz
SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO
75dB typical
COMPRESSION RATIO
4:1 (1dB change in output for 4dB change in input)

 

[GilmourD]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Man, I can't stand a show where the stage volume is so loud. It makes it instantly unbearable for me. We always put everything through the PA- it makes it so much easier to mix out front, and keeps the sound even for everyone in the audience.

At one gig I played (Crossroads in Garwood, NJ) we were the favorite band of the night because we all went into the sound system and the sound guy actually had a clue. I used to run a PODxt Live. My other guitarist used my brother's FlexTone III XL which had XLR outs and... I don't remember my bassist's amp but that also had XLR outs.

The band that played before us was insane. The bassist was running an 800 watt head into two 4x10 cabs. He also had it dimed. Crossroads isn't a huge place. EVERY SINGLE PERSON, including some of the wait staff, went outside during their set. The pavement of the parking lot was shaking. Being inside for just a few moments as they started was nausea inducing.

These days I rock a Bugera 1960 Infinium. For this band I run it clean and all my dirt is pedals. Strangely, the sound guy at Dingbatz kept telling me to turn up and I got to the point where the amp was not really clean anymore. I tend to pull two tubes and run it through my Jettenuator at home for recording or putzing around.

I'd like to get a 50-watt 1987-type head to sit on my 2x12 for smaller gigs.

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[Securb]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I don't know why people still insist on using 100-watt heads. I am perfectly happy with my 120-watt JC120.

 

[JMP/HBE]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?



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[some_dude]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

The band that played before us was insane. The bassist was running an 800 watt head into two 4x10 cabs. He also had it dimed. Crossroads isn't a huge place. EVERY SINGLE PERSON, including some of the wait staff, went outside during their set. The pavement of the parking lot was shaking. Being inside for just a few moments as they started was nausea inducing.

This was my Thursday... only the headliner had modest 2x12s (a 2x12 combo I didn't recognize and what I think was a 30w Orange head/2x12) and the bassist had a 410 (micro head, no idea what make/model). None of the amp's were mic'd, drums had a kick and overhead, bass was DI'd but it was just to fill in the sound a bit.

Stage volume started off loud... but it was a good loud. Part way into the second song the volume war started. By the third song I had to leave the room. By the fourth or fifth song the soundman came outside to join us.

My band, the other opener and the soundman were all standing outside the back of the club with the door half closed over to mute the sound and still had to shout at each other to talk.

 

[DeadandBuried]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

120 watt here lol. But yeah with loud drummers I need something that will compete. I can turn the post-gain knob my 6505+ up to 3 now without pissing sound guys off, dependent on venue, needs to be on 2.5 really to get the tubes cooking.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

With all this talk about how big amps aren't needed.... I'm sitting here considering a JTM45.

 

[jeremy]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

a jtm45 is only like 35w-40w, big but not crazy loud depending on speaker choice. im building a jtm45 circuit into a jtm30 1x12 combo and with a g12-65 i bet it will be about as loud as my deluxe reverb with a crex

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I'm thinking a stereo 4x12 that can also be ran as a 2x12 (depending on the need) loaded with Greenbacks and an attenuator to knock a little volume off. Combined with an OD, Fuzz and Boost, I think it'll be an awesome rig.

 

[jeremy]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

id say so too! i got rid of my 4x12 cabs so only have 1x12, 2x10 and 2x12 cabs but i can mix and match as i need. usually its just a combo but i do run the dual showman reverb with the 2x10 and 2x12 and it sounds so damn good. too much for me to haul though so its rare any of that makes an appearance. its funny but i gig with 8w-35w amps and leave my 50w-85w at home

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I completely understand, I've been using my little Princeton Reverb with my board of doom for a while now. So easy to carry, but it runs out of steam to really do what I need it to do. My Marshall style amp is cool (Splawn) but I think I'm after something a little more vintage flavored.

 

[jeremy]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

im not as spoiled as joe but im plenty spoiled when it comes to amps. 5e3 & 5e7 circuits, '66 deluxe reverb & '69 dual showman reverb (blackfaced), modded musicmaster bass, jtm30 im modding into a jtm45, vox tb35c1, a trainwreck express clone ive been working on for years, a single ended thing i built, and a few others that i cant recall off the top of my head. its pretty easy to grab something that suits the gig. 9/10 times im using my deluxe reverb or musicmaster bass.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

A lot of people would be surprised that an 18 watt Marshall circuit is typically louder than a JTM45-both run in their sweet spots. The DSL15 red channel turned up is louder than a boosted JTM45.

 

[Mincer]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Yes, this is all in the design. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Yes, this is all in the design. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

Or rather, there's a ton of numbers nobody ever seems to talk about. Speaker efficiency, emphsized frequencies, power tube bias, B+ voltage, whether the cabinet is open back or closed, the actual wattage at onset of distortion, etc.

It's one of the main reason people think there's a difference between tube watts and solid state watts. There's a difference in advertising, but watts is watts is watts is watts.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Or rather, there's a ton of numbers nobody ever seems to talk about. Speaker efficiency, emphsized frequencies, power tube bias, B+ voltage, whether the cabinet is open back or closed, the actual wattage at onset of distortion, etc.

It's one of the main reason people think there's a difference between tube watts and solid state watts. There's a difference in advertising, but watts is watts is watts is watts.

Agree on all accounts.

 

[dsloan]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I see this same discussion come up over and over. I'm always amazed at the number of people that don't completely realize how wattage relates to actual volume.
A 100W amp isn't twice as loud as a 50W. It's not even twice as loud as a 30W amp. They are in fact very close in max available volume since doubling of wattage equates to only a 3dB increase of volume. So, my 100W Marshall at max volume is about 8.2dB louder than my Orange 15W, about 5.3dB louder than my 38W JTM45, and 3dB louder than my 50W JCM900.
That is exactly why I've been able to play gigs with all of those amps at the exact same volume and none of them having to be cranked, even at outdoor festival gigs.
I choose them instead for the difference in tone and feel because that's where the different wattages have the biggest impact. Higher wattage amps will generally have more headroom and run at higher voltages, while lower wattages obviously run at lower voltages and therefore will generally compress more. This will often be heard as the higher wattage amp sounding brighter and cleaner while the lower wattage amp will sound warmer and break up earlier. However, these characteristics of tone can also be manipulated in the circuit design, despite output stage wattage.

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