Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

[Ascension]

Have a Alt 8/ Sentient set in one guitar and I want both split together to humbuck. On my Carvin DC 400 with the Active passive Carvin with the Hybrid sentient set module it does this through the module. How do I wire the neck Sentient in the passive DC 127 so it will hum cancel with both split and on but stay in phase and sound normal in full humbucking mode?

 

[shadowfire90]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

To get hum cancellation and staying in phase with humbuckers the approach is simple.

white - hot lead
black / green - coilsplit wires
red / bare - ground

What we are doing is switching the "Starts" and "finishes" and when you pair both pickups together it produces hum cancellation.

for reference of color codes these are the top 3 I seem to encounter aside from Duncan designed and GFS pickups.
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[GuitarDoc]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

Temporarily ignore what shadowfire90 just posted (not that it MAY NOT be accurate). It is meaningless without further information and assumes that you want to split this one of the pickups to the slug coil.

BUT...
It depends on which coils you want to split to on each pup (you need to clarify what you mean by "oposite (sic) coil"). Usually it is the outer (screw) coils, but you can switch to any combination of coils you wish. Once we know what coils you want active in split mode, we can tell you how to wire it to be hum cancelling.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

To get hum cancellation and staying in phase with humbuckers the approach is simple.

white - hot lead
black / green - coilsplit wires
red / bare - ground

What we are doing is switching the "Starts" and "finishes" and when you pair both pickups together it produces hum cancellation.

for reference of color codes these are the top 3 I seem to encounter aside from Duncan designed and GFS pickups.
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You realize, of course, that this info is useless without knowing what coils of each pup he wants to split to. You don't know what coil of the other pup he is splitting to and you are assuming that he means the slug coil of this pup when he says "opposite". Not necessarily true and even would be fairly unusual for him to split that way. You MAY be correct, but we really need a little more info before giving such a definitive answer.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

It's REALLY simple. I have the bridge pickup wired Black hot Red white tied and then Green ground and both humbuckers are Duncan's ( in this case Alt 8 bridge and a Sentient neck). The neck I want to split to the opposite coil so that when both are on together they are hum canceling and need that color code. As in what to hot what to ground and what gets tied. Simply the split tones together with these 2 I use now but the buzz is a problem when they are split. I simply want to have the same full humbucker tone I have now but split the Sentient to the opposite coil so it kills that buzz with both split and on and keep everything in phase .

 

[Ascension]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

To get hum cancellation and staying in phase with humbuckers the approach is simple.

white - hot lead
black / green - coilsplit wires
red / bare - ground

What we are doing is switching the "Starts" and "finishes" and when you pair both pickups together it produces hum cancellation.

for reference of color codes these are the top 3 I seem to encounter aside from Duncan designed and GFS pickups.
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Likely this is what I need wanted to verify that it would still be in phase with the Duncan in the bridge. The Alt 8 in the bridge is wired black hot, white/red tied and green to ground.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

Wouldn't you need to flip a magnet to do that?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

So in the Alt8 you're shorting the red+white to ground to split? That would be to the slug (north) coil.
If your Sentient is standard wind (not RWRP), then as shadowfire90 suggested, use the white wire as lead and ground the others to get split to the slug coil (this will give you reverse wind). But you will be out of phase if you don't reverse the magnet as Mincer said so that the slug coil in the Sentient can be south.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

So in the Alt8 you're shorting the red+white to ground to split? That would be to the slug (north) coil.
If your Sentient is standard wind (not RWRP), then as shadowfire90 suggested, use the white wire as lead and ground the others to get split to the slug coil (this will give you reverse wind). But you will be out of phase if you don't reverse the magnet as Mincer said so that the slug coil in the Sentient can be south.

Would not just swapping the Red and white get it back into phase and humbuck rather than flipping the mag? That would be Red Hot White ground Green and Black tied.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

Yes, swapping red and white will split to the slug coil if that's what you want.

 

[Chad]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

I almost always prefer splitting to the bridge slug coil (gives more meat being closer to the neck) and the neck screw coil (for a more authentic Strat-like neck sound). I use the attached diagram. This setup is also in-phase and hum-cancelling when both pickups are split.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

Yes, you could do like you are planning (split the Alt8 to slug coil by grounding the red+white wires and split the neck pup to the screw coil by grounding the green+black wires) by following the diagrams posted by Chad and you won't need to flip any magnets.

Like Chad said, this is how I like to do it also. Sounds better to me too.

 

[Tone Meister]

Re: Whats the wire color code to tap the oposite coil on a Duncan from normal?

The coil split info in this thread should be consolidated and put in a sticky, if it hasn't already been.

Knowing how to split to either coil and remain in magnetic AND electrical phase is vital for a number of pickup & switching scenarios.