What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

[BriGuy1968]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Dude, if you have 15 guitars you could sell most or all of them and have a small number of great guitars!
I understand. I once looked around at all five of my "project" cars, all bought cheap one at a time, and thought "crap, if I sell all these I could buy one really nice car!" And I did.

And yes, you have to play several Gibsons to find one that feels just right. But when you do, it is heavenly.

Yeah, I get that, but I also am enjoying the collection and learning the ins and outs of the varying styles/configurations/pickups I have. I'm gonna get there eventually (probably after I get all the kids moved out... big family) but in the meantime I'm enjoying the journey and the experiences.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

One particular case is Astrozombie's LP whose trapezoid inlay actually popped out. WTF?!

 

[dystrust]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

That's what pisses me off the most... I shouldn't EVER see a guitar in a store that needs the frets leveled. Certainly not at those prices.

That I agree with.

Regarding your earlier comment about Guitar Center, I honestly wonder if they end up with all of the duds that no one else wants?

Another thing I see far too frequently on USA Gibsons are improperly cut nuts, usually with the slots too narrow. I don't expect that I can switch to 11s without modifying the nut, but the guitar should stay in tune and the nut shouldn't bind with the factory strings.

 

[Securb]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

One particular case is Astrozombie's LP whose trapezoid inlay actually popped out. WTF?!

Yeah, but wasn't he modding that guitar and screwing with it before he even had the plastic off the pickguard? I have the exact same Les Paul Traditional Ice Tea Burst and have never had a problem with mine.

 

[2ndhandband]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

That I agree with.

Regarding your earlier comment about Guitar Center, I honestly wonder if they end up with all of the duds that no one else wants?

Another thing I see far too frequently on USA Gibsons are improperly cut nuts, usually with the slots too narrow. I don't expect that I can switch to 11s without modifying the nut, but the guitar should stay in tune and the nut shouldn't bind with the factory strings.

My Firebird had that problem amongst several others. Honestly? The Korean Dillion that came to live at my house a week ago is a superior guitar in every way, and they roll out for a street price of around HALF that of the Gibson.

Another thing about price: If I can get one of these new for $x, that is what an equivalent guitar of this quality is worth. Period. I won't pay for a name, nor will I pay extra because country of origin. If a Firebird costs any more than this Dillion Phoenix, it needs to be a demonstrably better instrument. It won't happen so long as production is in the US. Frankly there's no way in hell anyone is going to build a guitar as good as this Dillion in America for as little as the Dillion goes for, and to my way of thinking that's just the best damn argument in the world to offshore production. I don't care where it's made, not even a little bit.

 

[dystrust]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Yeah, but wasn't he modding that guitar and screwing with it before he even had the plastic off the pickguard? I have the exact same Les Paul Traditional Ice Tea Burst and have never had a problem with mine.

I'd say the weather in Puerto Rico is a more likely culprit than any mods Astro tried.

 

[Securb]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

I won't pay for a name.

Once again your assumptions blow me away. The SDUGF is a forum FULL of professional musicians. Do you think we choose our gear based on the name? Just looking at the Gibson players that have posted in this thread represent decades of musical experience and varying styles of music. They are not buying the tools of their trade based on a name, including myself. I would challenge any guitar player to play my No. 1 guitar, a 2011 Gibson Les Paul Traditional and tell me the guitar is flawed in any way. I don't feel I got lucky with my guitars I am a Gibson man, I have four of them, and I am proud to play the brand.

If you do not like Gibsons, that is great. Stay out of the Gibson threads if you only contributions is to tell us how bad our guitars are. If you continue it someone will take offence, and the thread will go bad.

We get it you do not like Gibsons, that is fine and your prerogative. Do not sap the joy out of us that love the guitars and want to discuss our dedication to the instrument. Find another thread, forum or internet and move on.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

My experience is: on average I had to play 5-10 Fenders to find the good one in store and 2-3 Gibsons to find the good one. I currently have 5 Fenders (not counting Gretsch) and 7 Gibsons. I have bought both sight unseen across the Internet also with about similar but slightly better results (both about the same quality and playability.)

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Once again your assumptions blow me away. The SDUGF is a forum FULL of professional musicians. Do you think we choose our gear based on the name? Just looking at the Gibson players that have posted in this thread represent decades of musical experience and varying styles of music. They are not buying the tools of their trade based on a name, including myself. I would challenge any guitar player to play my No. 1 guitar, a 2011 Gibson Les Paul Traditional and tell me the guitar is flawed in any way. I don't feel I got lucky with my guitars I am a Gibson man, I have four of them, and I am proud to play the brand.

If you do not like Gibsons, that is great. Stay out of the Gibson threads if you only contributions is to tell us how bad our guitars are. If you continue it someone will take offence, and the thread will go bad.

We get it you do not like Gibsons, that is fine and your prerogative. Do not sap the joy out of us that love the guitars and want to discuss our dedication to the instrument. Find another thread, forum or internet and move on.

Well the only person I am aware of who makes a living playing music is Mincer.

Of course the members here choose gear based on the name. Why do you think Gibson and Fender are more popular than Ibanez and Yamaha? Yeah superb QC sure..

Same thing for effects, people prefer TC and Dunlop to 'inferior competitors' from overseas like Zoom. Come on, don't delude yourself. You may not realize it and that's okay.

And I don't get why you seem so pissed off cause people bash Gibson.

 

[Securb]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Well the only person I am aware of who makes a living playing music is Mincer...
And I don't get why you seem so pissed off cause people bash Gibson.

I am trying to say this without getting an infraction. You might want to look at some of the poster's signatures or profiles. You have been here for a year. I have known what these guys do professionally for years. I don't bash any gear. I don't care what anyone plays. I think people that do bash other peoples gear be it, Gibson, Berringer, Line 6 are jackasses. It is about the talent of the artist not the name on the guitar or amp.

Think of it this way. I live in New England. I hate lobster. I believe it is a bottom feeding sea bug and have no desire to eat it. What kind of jackass would I be if I had to say that every time someone ate a lobster? And if I didn't get a response would I be in the right t to shout through the meal how horrible lobster was?

We get it he doesn't like Gibson. Let's move on. I don't like Chavel, Fender or Vox. Do I make it a point to post in those threads to tell people they are wasting their money and they do not have the ability to judge a playable instrument? Nope, I dont.

 

[Securb]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Well the only person I am aware of who makes a living playing music is Mincer.

Let me rephrase this. In this forum, you have access to some of the most talented touring, recording and performing guitar players on the planet. And yes Dave (Mincer) is one of them but not the only one, even he would be quick to tell you that. There are no absolutes in our art. Everyone uses different brushes and strokes. If we can all appreciate what each other are doing at the end of the day, we have a community.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

We get it he doesn't like Gibson. Let's move on. I don't like Chavel, Fender or Vox. Do I make it a point to post in those threads to tell people they are wasting their money and they do not have the ability to judge a playable instrument? Nope, I dont.

I don't think he doesn't like Gibson for no reason other than his own bad experience, as he indeed owns an LP.

And he isn't the only one who complains about Gibson QC, as I have seen many threads here on Gibson's poor worksmanship. So he isn't an anomaly.

 

[man-in-moon]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

This thread has taken a turn lol. Over the past few months I have owned 5 gibsons and 3 had problems. The explorer faded I did a thread about should have never left the factory. The gold top classic was perfect the weight just killed my shoulder. The first sg standard was good for about a week then got a lot of hum and buzz. GC wanted me to bring it and let their tech check it. The bridge ground had completely broken off the circuit board.
So they exchanged it for another standard that was even better. For 3 days then the clear coat started flaking off the neck and binding. It was completely gone from the nut to the 2nd fret. I called Gibson the guy did not seem surprised and said stuff wasn't curing enough before it left the factory. So they told me to return it. So once again I spent 3 hours and tried about 20 gibsons. There was some great ones some good ones then some that were awful.
Wouldn't you know the best playing and sounding one they had besides the historics was a 2017 sg faded in cherry. It was just a little heavier than the other sg's and sounded better unplugged. The frets are perfect and holds tune great. i was raised on Gibson and have owned some nice ones in the almost 25 years I've been playing. But at the same time I have owned some dogs. Gibson is not the same company they used to be no one can deny that. Their QC has went down a lot. But at the same time they do make some great guitars.
No company is at the top of their game 100% of the time. But to get the thread back on track the guy stopped sending me messages when I requested more pics and info.

 

[Wattage]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Hah sorry dude I had completely forgotten what the thread started as lol

Yeah that was at best a fair copy

As for Gibson not being what they once were well....Orville's been dead a loooong time now:stooges:

 

[Boogie Bill]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Pretty much a pointless discussion. No one's mind is going to change.

Besides, even if you guys that hate Gibson actually FOUND a perfect Les Paul for $1000, you'd STILL be ripping out the pickups, "upgrading" the wiring, sanding off the back of the neck, putting strap locks on it and be crabbing about the weight within 15 minutes of bringing it home!

-----

Since Gibson is using a Plek machine to level frets and cut nuts....

....maybe we should complain about Plek for a change of pace.

-----

I have never been onstage with one of my Gibsons and thought, "Gee, I'd rather be playing my Epiphone."

Or Dillon. Or Squire. Or Michael Kelly. Or...

I have never been on stage with my Gibson and had somebody come up and say, "Yeah, you're an okay guitar player...but you'd sound better if you played an Epiphone." (N-E-V-E-R.)

I have had players want to look at them closely, play it or even just touch it. (NO!)

I have had beautiful women comment on my beautiful guitar. (Nice!) (I let at them touch it...)

------

I have several guitars in the $3000 range. I'm not gonna buy a $6 strap to put on it...if I find an $80 strap I like, that's what I get. If I have to spend another $50-$75 to make it play EXACTLY like I want it to with the strings I like, it's not a big deal. Not gonna ***** about it on a forum...I'm gonna get it done NOW and get it done right.

I do have some budget guitars too, btw. And they do offer great value. There are a lot of great guitars on the market, and fortunately for us, they play and sound great. And, there is the huge aftermarket parts scene. Mod it...make it "better". Simple. Didn't have that when I was starting out.

But I like nice guitars, and they have value to me. Bought my first Gibson back in 1972, and had at least one ever since. Buying my first Martin guitar was an epiphany. My old Harmony blew away most '60s Gibsons I'd played, but the D-18 was SPECIAL. Addicting.

Nice guitars, like Gibsons, are addicting. Even when they have flaws. Yeah, Cindy Crawford has that mole on her face...an imperfection...and it's damn sexy!

Bill

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Have you? We get you can't stand Gibson but enough already.

I've done work on them. They leave file marks on the neck binding and there was chatter marks on the fretboard from the cutter. And splatters of solder on the inside.

Crappy quality. Epiphones are made better.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[2ndhandband]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

I've done work on them. They leave file marks on the neck binding and there was chatter marks on the fretboard from the cutter. And splatters of solder on the inside.

Crappy quality. Epiphones are made better.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

But Gibson and Fender have no incentive to change, because people are going to keep buying their stuff regardless. Guys, there is NO voodoo magic happening in the Gibson plant. If another manufacturer is making a guitar using similar materials and construction methods and your odds of picking up a good one are better than with Gibson then why would you even consider a Gibson? There's no magic in the manufacturing process; no trade secrets. But it's funny to watch people. One of my friends... a pro player... uses all kind of things to record, many of which are weird cheap guitars he has modded. He WILL NOT step onto a stage where people can see him playing anything that doesn't say Fender or Gibson on the headstock.

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

But Gibson and Fender have no incentive to change, because people are going to keep buying their stuff regardless. Guys, there is NO voodoo magic happening in the Gibson plant. If another manufacturer is making a guitar using similar materials and construction methods and your odds of picking up a good one are better than with Gibson then why would you even consider a Gibson? There's no magic in the name. But it's funny to watch people. One of my friends... a pro player... uses all kind of things to record, many of which are weird cheap guitars he has modded. He WILL NOT step onto a stage where people can see him playing anything that doesn't say Fender or Gibson on the headstock.

That's why I mostly play a Parker guitar and an '87 Ibanez bass. [emoji6] Plus guitars and basses I built.

Everyone and their mother plays a Strat or Les Paul. Try all get the same tones and play the same notes. People are afraid to try and be original.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

Hah sorry dude I had completely forgotten what the thread started as lol

Yeah that was at best a fair copy

As for Gibson not being what they once were well....Orville's been dead a loooong time now:stooges:

DANG! Gotta give old Orville some cred for being a sharp dresser!

 

[Ben Davella]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

There are 2 Dillon guitar companies? I was looking at them before, yet cant play one anywhere.