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[eclecticsynergy]

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To get back to the OP, despite being an obvious fake it's actually a pretty good looking guitar. If it plays well, sounds good and is nice & lively I'd say it's worth at least a hundred or so. Maybe even two, if it's in perfect shape and comes with a good case.

 

[Securb]

Re: What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

To get back to the OP, despite being an obvious fake it's actually a pretty good looking guitar. If it plays well, sounds good and is nice & lively I'd say it's worth at least a hundred or so. Maybe even two, if it's in perfect shape and comes with a good case.

I would avoid it all together. The headstocks on those fakes are a ticking time bomb. They snap off if you look at them crosseyed, super fragile. They have been known to have a host of other problems.

 

[Ben Davella]

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I wasn't rippin on Gibson. Not at all. At my skill level, or lack of, I would rather have 3 guitars than 1 very expensive Les Paul. But that is me, and fact be told, I WILL want a real Gibson. But I practice all day, and the finish on the neck for me is more important than the size , profile or whatever. Like it or not, the Gibson is BEYOND just being a guitar. It is an icon of our culture and they are BEAUTIFUL! I am a newb player, but I just love the guitar. The look, the idea, the sounds, everything! Always have, and I also have supported the music industry as well. Sorry to seem bashing Gibson, I wasn't. I think my 1st Gibson will be from early 2000's, and when she somehow appears, I am gonna get 1!!

 

[2ndhandband]

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There are 2 Dillon guitar companies? I was looking at them before, yet cant play one anywhere.

I think the one out of canada is defunct but I'm not sure. It's a completely different company, and the canada ones were/are being made in China. I have no idea about quality. The ones coming from Korea are the ones that say made for Dillion USA on the back of the headstock. I have a Phoenix and it's an absolute Firebird killer. Great guitar. I haven't gigged it yet because I'm waiting on a vibrola to ship from Germany; I won't go on without a whammy bar. But I'm excited to play it live.

 

[Ben Davella]

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[Ben Davella]

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Old man trying to add a picture LOL. This is my fave. Solid hunk of wood for sure. Local guy added a JB/JAZZ set and this baby screams! No buzz, and the action is so low! My buddy is a great player and says this is a monster. He really likes the neck PUP. I love this guitar. Whatever it is, this has IT.

 

[GilmourD]

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Aren't you supposed to put a smiley face next to an absurd comment like that? Probaby reflects on your ridiculous knowledge of guitars to insinuate a cheap Chinese knockoff is better than a USA Gibson.

Actually he's probably right. Have you played any USA Gibsons over the past 15 years? Somehow Epiphone gets it right a lot more than Gibson.

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[GilmourD]

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Yes, I just bought one last month it is a tone monster and it plays like a dream. My grandfather could find 50 things he doesn't like about a new Corvette. That doesn't mean the car is garbage. It is just not for him.

In all fairness, if you get a good Gibson it's a good guitar. The problem is that they're wildly inconsistent. Having worked for Gibson dealers and played an inordinate amount of them I can confidently say that you should always play a Gibson before purchasing.

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[2ndhandband]

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In all fairness, if you get a good Gibson it's a good guitar. The problem is that they're wildly inconsistent. Having worked for Gibson dealers and played an inordinate amount of them I can confidently say that you should always play a Gibson before purchasing.

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I sold Peavey stuff back around the turn of the century, including the Wolfgang guitar. Now that axe was a bit on the pricey side for what it was, but still less than your average Gibson. It was spendy first because EVH got an exceptionally large royalty per unit, and second because of the standards. I heard stories from peavey reps about EVH showing up randomly on the assembly lines and throwing fits if any post-setup guitar he picked up wasn't just so. His standard was that he should be able to send his tech into any dealer anywhere to grab him a couple guitars and go onstage with them without anybody having to mess with anything. And I will say Wolfgangs were stunningly consistent; you could close your eyes and just randomly grab one off the wall and be guaranteed a good guitar.

That should be normal, at least for anything retailing at 1k or more.

 

[GilmourD]

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I sold Peavey stuff back around the turn of the century, including the Wolfgang guitar. Now that axe was a bit on the pricey side for what it was, but still less than your average Gibson. It was spendy first because EVH got an exceptionally large royalty per unit, and second because of the standards. I heard stories from peavey reps about EVH showing up randomly on the assembly lines and throwing fits if any post-setup guitar he picked up wasn't just so. His standard was that he should be able to send his tech into any dealer anywhere to grab him a couple guitars and go onstage with them without anybody having to mess with anything. And I will say Wolfgangs were stunningly consistent; you could close your eyes and just randomly grab one off the wall and be guaranteed a good guitar.

That should be normal, at least for anything retailing at 1k or more.

That's why I own a Peavey Wolfgang and if I hit the lottery I'd buy every Peavey Wolfgang I could find.

 

[2ndhandband]

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That's why I own a Peavey Wolfgang and if I hit the lottery I'd buy every Peavey Wolfgang I could find.

They weren't for me, but they were consistently great guitars no question.

 

[beaubrummels]

What's wrong with this picture? Gibson? Content

I think the one out of canada is defunct but I'm not sure. It's a completely different company, and the canada ones were/are being made in China. I have no idea about quality. The ones coming from Korea are the ones that say made for Dillion USA on the back of the headstock. I have a Phoenix and it's an absolute Firebird killer. Great guitar. I haven't gigged it yet because I'm waiting on a vibrola to ship from Germany; I won't go on without a whammy bar. But I'm excited to play it live.

No one said Gibson has any 'voodoo.' IME I've had a much easier time finding good Gibsons than any other brand and they made the famous tones I needed to cop for the work I've done almost as-is off the line and with much less effort than other guitars I have. (Parker is the only exception to that statement.)

It's strange you crap on someone who won't go on without a Gibson, but here you won't go on without a Vibrola whammy. I guess we all have our quirks.

 

[Demanic]

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We all, most definitely, have our quirks, eccentricities, tastes etc.
I suppose that is why I continue to frequent the place.

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[2ndhandband]

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No one said Gibson has any 'voodoo.' IME I've had a much easier time finding good Gibsons than any other brand and they made the famous tones I needed to cop for the work I've done almost as-is off the line and with much less effort than other guitars I have. (Parker is the only exception to that statement.)

It's strange you crap on someone who won't go on without a Gibson, but here you won't go on without a Vibrola whammy. I guess we all have our quirks.

I didn't say without a vibrola... just a whammy in general and a vibrola is a natural choice for a guitar like this. The whammy bar is a pretty integral part of my playing, and if I don't have one I'm constantly reaching for it and wishing it was there.

As for the sounds, you'll never sell me on the notion that brands making guitars using the same body woods, same general construction principles, and similarly voiced electronics aren't going to get largely the same tones. Assuming the same basic shape and construction whoever has the best QC wins by default... or at least they should. If you think that company is Gibson you simply have not been paying attention. I'm not a lone voice crying out in the wilderness here.

 

[Dusty.Rhoads]

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You get a mahogany body with a maple cap, a nitro paint job and a guitar that is going to hold it's value better than just about any product you can by. The rest you can adjust yourself or have adjusted. I say go Gibson and/or American Fender over most anything else and don't under any circumstances put SNSs in them:wink:

 

[2ndhandband]

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You get a mahogany body with a maple cap, a nitro paint job and a guitar that is going to hold it's value better than just about any product you can by. The rest you can adjust yourself or have adjusted. I say go Gibson and/or American Fender over most anything else and don't under any circumstances put SNSs in them:wink:

Why nitro exactly? That crap is LEGENDARY for chipping and cracking. A good poly finish wears much better and affects the tone not one iota.

 

[Dusty.Rhoads]

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Why nitro exactly? That crap is LEGENDARY for chipping and cracking. A good poly finish wears much better and affects the tone not one iota.

The operative word in you assertion is good
. IMO a good poly finish is not the standard, on most guitars they are applied too thickly and in that case they do deaden the tone.

But squabbling over nitro vs. poly serves no purpose. Notro just happens to be my preference. I have a black 1993 Gibson Les Paul that looks as good as the day it left Nashville.

 

[Securb]

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Why nitro exactly? That crap is LEGENDARY for chipping and cracking. A good poly finish wears much better and affects the tone not one iota.

Are you done bashing our guitars?

 

[2ndhandband]

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The operative word in you assertion is good
. IMO a good poly finish is not the standard, on most guitars they are applied too thickly and in that case they do deaden the tone.

But squabbling over nitro vs. poly serves no purpose. Notro just happens to be my preference. I have a black 1993 Gibson Les Paul that looks as good as the day it left Nashville.

Well no... I'm not going to get into this one either. I'm pretty heavily on the side of the tonewood debate that says tone is almost 100% electronics, strings, and hardware.

 

[Demanic]

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I look at like this: If I'm a working musician​, and I spend a few grand on an axe, it had better not need any more prep before I play than my tech can do in a few minutes. Time is money.
If I'm a hobbyist and I scratch together a few grand for my dream guitar, and it arrives and isn't right, I'm way more likely to make a bigger stink about it. Probably because the professional is more able to absorb the cost until they replace or repair it.

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