Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

[LtKojak]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Lew, what would be nice is that when people have different opinions than you, if you didn't automatically attribute it to them not being good players.

Rick... sorry to say, but I'm with Lew here.

You see, 50% of the customers they come to me with "tone" problems is either because they can't properly play a song, or a riff, many times they're even unable to properly finger a chord... or they're afraid to touch their guitars to setup'em correctly. Hell, many pay ME just to change their strings... but when they start to talk about gear, oh boy, do they talk like they know everything!

Customers... can't live with'em, can't kill'em! :smack:

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Lew, what would be nice is that when people have different opinions than you, if you didn't automatically attribute it to them not being good players.

What would be even nicer if you'd read what I actually wrote instead of jumping straight to being offended:

In fact, that's the only way, because these opinions are coming from guys who may or may not even know how to play.

"...who may or may not..."

 

[blueman335]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

"...who may or may not..."

I'm not offended, hence my concilatory post. But why bring it up? In all the thousands of posts I've made here, and all the differences of opinions I've had with members (there's been a few), I've never questioned people's skill level or experience. It just seems like a low blow to head in that direction. You're an elder statesman here, and little digs like that are unworthy of you. So again, I offer the olive branch and just ask that everyone not to get into that diversion. Maybe someone likes something different than we do, I just see no reason to even hint at them being a lesser player. There's always somebody who's a better player, and sometimes they have the opposing view.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Rick... sorry to say, but I'm with Lew here.

I start with the assumption that everyone here is a decent player, and that we should focus on gear talk and not raise the experience/skill issue, especially as a cheap shot. It's a more professional way to run a forum. Yes, I realize that we have the gamut of mediocre to great players here, but I hate to see: 'I'm a better player than you kid, so I know what I'm talking about and you don't.' You may indeed be a better player, but if you are, you can also be humble enough not to flaunt it and use it to overrule other members. That sends an underlying message that you're setting gear talk aside, and dropping it down to a personal level. I don't want to see that. So someone's a better player, big deal. I'm not bowing down to them. I've seen great players with tones that I don't like at all. On this forum we're talking about tones we like and how to get them. It's very subjective, and we all have a different set of variables in our signal chain. Tastes are all over the map. It would be nice if we could end discussions with 'It doesn't work for me, but if it works for you, fine" and let it go without any little digs about anyone not being a good player. If we only have good players on the forum, there won't be many guys here at all. This should be an inclusive thing, regardless of what tones and genres anyone likes.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Assuming everyone here is a decent player is your first mistake!

I used to have a regular gig that was sort of a live karaoke thing for drummers, guitar players, bass, harp , vocals...whatever.

It was largely attended by forum members from an unnamed forum.

It's sad to say but the large majority if those guys could barely play a few cowboy chords.

Trust me when I saw that most of the guys on this or any forum are not real players...that's just the way it is.


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[Rockstar216]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Assuming everyone here is a decent player is your first mistake!

I used to have a regular gig that was sort of a live karaoke thing for drummers, guitar players, bass, harp , vocals...whatever.

It was largely attended by forum members from THE GEAR PAGE/HARMONY CENTRAL.

It's sad to say but the large majority if those guys could barely play a few cowboy chords.

Trust me when I saw that most of the guys on this or any forum are not real players...that's just the way it is.


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Fixed that for ya.

As someones sig here states "PRACTICE CURES MOST TONE ISSUES" and no amount of gear will ever be able to substitute for actually knowing how to play your instrument.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Assuming everyone here is a decent player is your first mistake!

I used to have a regular gig that was sort of a live karaoke thing for drummers, guitar players, bass, harp , vocals...whatever.

It was largely attended by forum members from an unnamed forum.

It's sad to say but the large majority if those guys could barely play a few cowboy chords.

Trust me when I saw that most of the guys on this or any forum are not real players...that's just the way it is.

I agree with that, I've seen and played with my share of hacks. But I'd like to think that the small percentage of players that find their way here are at least halfway decent. I give them the benefit of the doubt. Whether they are or not isn't really relevant to the discussions here on tone preferences. It's a put-down to say someone that who disgrees with you on what they like probably isn't a good player. None of us want to be talked to like that.

I'd like to see the forum be more positive, and less of the 'I'm better than you' thing. Maybe someone's not so good now, but may be in a year or two, and he may be a faster learner than you are. There's been too many arguments, too many cheap shots, too many put downs, and I'm certainly not innocent in this myself. But really, haven't we all gotten a little wiser over the years and can see how that stuff really accomplished nothing? Nobody got out of it unscathed. I've always believed that if we were sitting together at a bar, watching a band play, we'd all be laughing and getting along great. So why does that change when we get behind a keyboard?

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Fixed that for ya.

As someones sig here states "PRACTICE CURES MOST TONE ISSUES" and no amount of gear will ever be able to substitute for actually knowing how to play your instrument.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Gear hound is often inversely proportional to skill

And at some point, all the gear stuff becomes talk. Experience is needed.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Gear hound is often inversely proportional to skill

And at some point, all the gear stuff becomes talk. Experience is needed.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Don't forget that the weapons used by big, burly men in the battlefield are designed by geeks in lab coats. What we need here is guys with ideas for lots of ways to get tones. The guys I've learned the most from are the ones who think outside the box; I don't care if they're a 'good' player or not. Leo Fender and Ted McCarty didn't play guitar. I want to hear their ideas. The ones I've learned the least from are the guys who've played the same guitar for 30 years, with the stock PU's. They may be great players, but don't have much to contribute when it comes to PU's, pots, magnets, resistors, and alternative wirings. I don't come here to learn how to play, there's MUCH better places on the internet for that, so a person's playing skill means nothing to me. I don't come here to listen to music, there's much better places for that on the internet too. Geez, I've never talked techniques here, how did you play that riff, what's that chord? This is a gear forum. I want ideas about gear; I can take it from there and run with it. I want to know how to add more treble or reduce it, same with mids and lows. How to get more output or a firm low end. I want to be able to dial in the tones I want, using the variables I have. That's why I'm here. No one needs to prove anything to me. I'm looking for concepts that may have some validity for what I do. I can figure out if they'll work for me.

 

[Bludave]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

This is exactly why I hate changing pickups!! It's obvious that we all have opinions & some different. It gets really confusing in which way to go. As I said earlier on I have a pair of 57 classics in my 359 & in that guitar they sound great. Will they sound great in the guitar in question will remain to be seen, but I will start there & if I feel I need to change them due to the guitar being too bright then I will probably go with a pair of Seths.

 

[Bludave]

Re: Which Duncan HB would be closest to the 57 classics?

Update.... A few weeks back I finally got the 57 classics installed in this guitar. They did the trick. I created a new thread about the guitar. You can see it here if you so desire.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?275015-Brian-Monty-Blues-Queen