Who says a Tele cannot rock?

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

When I was that age I was too busy being aloof and disaffected to practice much.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Let's look at it on the bright side, he got rid of those shoes

 

[Lampy H]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Calm yourself!

Okay.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

There's no such thing as "I mixed it to sound good only on X brand of headphones". That means you mixed it poorly because it does not translate correctly over different mediums. That's what mixing (premastering also) is. From your headphones, earbuds, car stereo, laptop speakers, it shouldn't sound good only on one and then like sh!t on the others.

30 points to you good sir!

 

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

There's no such thing as "I mixed it to sound good only on X brand of headphones". That means you mixed it poorly because it does not translate correctly over different mediums. That's what mixing (premastering also) is. From your headphones, earbuds, car stereo, laptop speakers, it shouldn't sound good only on one and then like sh!t on the others.

I was always told to mix using as many different sources as possible. When I start getting into my mixing classes, I plan on using my monitors, my headphones, my earbuds, my laptop speakers, and my car stereo. If I've achieved a good mix across all of those mediums, I know I have a good mix.

 

[El Dunco]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

I was always told to mix using as many different sources as possible. When I start getting into my mixing classes, I plan on using my monitors, my headphones, my earbuds, my laptop speakers, and my car stereo. If I've achieved a good mix across all of those mediums, I know I have a good mix.

I would say to "test" your mixes on all those mediums. That's a very good idea. Ideally, your mix environment should be as flat and clinical as possible and use a reference track you can a/b to and from to compare yours to. I'm sure you know hi-fi product generally don't cut it as reference quality.

I do actually have a pair of home theatre speakers on my B channel (with dme tweeters) and you can really hear what hi fi speakers add to the sound that reference monitors don't.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

I do actually have a pair of home theatre speakers on my B channel (with dme tweeters) and you can really hear what hi fi speakers add to the sound that reference monitors don't.

What differences do you hear? What speakers are they?

 

[kramersteen]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Okay.

That never works normally.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

I would say to "test" your mixes on all those mediums. That's a very good idea. Ideally, your mix environment should be as flat and clinical as possible and use a reference track you can a/b to and from to compare yours to. I'm sure you know hi-fi product generally don't cut it as reference quality.

I do actually have a pair of home theatre speakers on my B channel (with dme tweeters) and you can really hear what hi fi speakers add to the sound that reference monitors don't.

That's actually what I meant. Sometimes my fingers don't quite communicate what I'm trying to say. Mix in as controlled an environment as possible, but test your mix on as many different sources to see if you have a good one across the range.

 

[El Dunco]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

What differences do you hear? What speakers are they?

Dream Acoustics. I have also have tower pair for my home theater with 4 speakers per cabinet and those sound amazing. They stand up to my TEAC cabinets with pioneer speakers. There's a 'sweetness' for lack of a better word in the hi-mids, the lows are more compressed and the sound overall more exciting to listen to (which is obviously what you'd want out of a hi-fi system) but obviously not accurate to the source. The monitors have a flat, clinical midrange (which is what I want) which leads me to believe that if you mixed using hi-fi speakers you could have some flabby bass and ugly hi-mid notches and not even know.

That's actually what I meant. Sometimes my fingers don't quite communicate what I'm trying to say. Mix in as controlled an environment as possible, but test your mix on as many different sources to see if you have a good one across the range.

Fair enough, no worries mate.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

It was me, I think, who said a stock Tele couldn't do 'metal' with a stock bridge and neck pickup. Anyone who claims it cannot do hard rock or probably even old school heavy metal has been proven historically incorrect . That caught some flak at the time for sure. I think a lot cause what people couldn't come to a consensus on what "metal" was at the time . I meant high gain metal. Lots of folks thinking Zepplin, for example was "metal", which just sin't so- they are hard rock / heavy rock- possibly Heavy metal at the most. As i said at the time, I think there are better choices for true modern metal than a stock Tele, although these days, with pedals and what not, it can be done , no doubt. You just wont look very "metal" in a death metal band with a stock '52 Tele IMHO.
Put a high output 'Bucker in the bridge and paint it gloss black, like John 5, and yeah, then you got a true sounding and looking Metal Axe.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Dream Acoustics. I have also have tower pair for my home theater with 4 speakers per cabinet and those sound amazing. They stand up to my TEAC cabinets with pioneer speakers. There's a 'sweetness' for lack of a better word in the hi-mids, the lows are more compressed and the sound overall more exciting to listen to (which is obviously what you'd want out of a hi-fi system) but obviously not accurate to the source. The monitors have a flat, clinical midrange (which is what I want) which leads me to believe that if you mixed using hi-fi speakers you could have some flabby bass and ugly hi-mid notches and not even know.

I can believe that. I've got some experience in high-end audio, and for as great as some of those speakers sound, no two models sound the same. The best I can come up with is a pair of Thiel SCS-4's, which have a woofer and tweeter in a coincident array and were designed for time-domain coherence. This is an American speaker that goes for about $3,000/pair. Like most Thiels, they have a reputation for being "neutral" and "unforgiving". How good a monitor do you need in order to do better than that?

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

I can believe that. I've got some experience in high-end audio, and for as great as some of those speakers sound, no two models sound the same. The best I can come up with is a pair of Thiel SCS-4's, which have a woofer and tweeter in a coincident array and were designed for time-domain coherence. This is an American speaker that goes for about $3,000/pair. Like most Thiels, they have a reputation for being "neutral" and "unforgiving". How good a monitor do you need in order to do better than that?

I'd love to hear your system, Bacon (well, I didn't wanna call, you "pig", or "little").

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

I'd love to hear your system, Bacon (well, I didn't wanna cal, you "pig", or "little").

I need a new DAC. Mine's a twenty-five-year-old Theta. And I need a proper cartridge. I'm still using a Grado Gold moving-magnet. I miss my old Benz Glider.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

I need a new DAC. Mine's a twenty-five-year-old Theta. And I need a proper cartridge. I'm still using a Grado Gold moving-magnet. I miss my old Benz Glider.

Lyra Helikon s my personal fave. But a Sumiko Blue Point is a great cart at a great price. Red Book hasn't changed, so your Theta is probably fine. Which one do you have? Unless you're jumping up to somehing like Chord/dCS/Nu-Force, there's not much to gain. I use an Arcam FMJ that does DSD; really good sounding unit!

There are lots of great sounding hifi speakers, so long as you stay away from euphonic or 'musical' ones for mixing. I love Sonus Fabers ... NOT good for mixng!! Let's not forget that the orignal studio monitor -- the Rogers LS3/5A -- was originally a hifi speaker.

Unfortunately, you get WAY more bang for your buck with proper studio monitors. For the price of a pair of Neumann monitors, you have barely touched the bottom rung of transparent hifi speakers: Acoustic Energy AE1's, Verity Audio Parsifals, Magico, ProAc, and Wilson WATTs have been and continue to be used for mixing and mastering.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Lyra Helikon s my personal fave. But a Sumiko Blue Point is a great cart at a great price. Red Book hasn't changed, so your Thet is probably fine. Which one do you have? Unless you're jumping up to somehing like Chord/dCS/Nu-Force, there's not much to gain. I use an Arcam FMJ that does DSD; really good sounding unit!

There are lots of great sounding hifi speakers, somehing as you stay away from euphonic or 'musical' ones for mixing. I love Sonus Fabers ... NOT good for mixng!! Let's not forget that the orignal studio monitor -- the Rogers LS5/A -- was originally a hifi speaker.

Unfortunately, you get WAY more bang for your buck with proper studio monitors. For the price of a pair of Neumann monitors, you have barely touched the bottom rung of transparent hifi speakers: Acoustic Energy AE1's, Verity Audio Parsifals, Magico, and Wilson WATTs have been and continue to be used for mixing and mastering.

Holy *** thats deep. I remember the Wilson Watts as Stereo Hi speakers at 50 grand a pop back in the day, and not really tonally neutral as your British Hi Fi, such as the Celstion SL-6's , for instance, but more musical and with a grand soundstage. had No idea the Wilson Watts werer being used for studio . I wouldad thunk the Old JBl's and Toas were still doing that.

 

[El Dunco]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

What do you listen to music on Jer?

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

What do you listen to music on Jer?

Right now PIoneer CS99-A speakers with a metal faced Pioneer receiver and a old Realistic turntable with a couple old cassette decks still working. Gets the job done acqueductly. That said, I have a crap ton of old gear socked away-mostly speakers.
I love the Pioneer speakers for the reason that they represent Hard Rock and Classical, and also Jazz very nicely, which most speaker do not as they are focused on a certain spectrum that is supposed to be better sounding for Jazz or Classical or rock, but to be honest, the Pioneers do better at all of them than most. They ( the PIoner CS-99's) remain really musical and lively , with a very good degree of accuracy and a nice soundstage- almost the perfect end all -be all kind of thing for the money, although they do push/ are slanted towards the hard hitting rock bass sound which is fine for me since thats mostly what I want.
For very heavy Metal, I'd choose a different speaker.

 

[El Dunco]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Right now PIoneer CS99-A speakers with a metal faced Pioneer receiver and a old Realistic turntable with a couple old cassette decks still working. Gets the job done acqueductly. That said, I have a crap ton of old gear socked away-mostly speakers.
I love the Pioneer speakers for the reason that they represent Hard Rock and Classical, and also Jazz very nicely, which most speaker do not. They remain really musical and lively , with a great degree of accuracy and a nice sounstage- almost the perfect end all -be all kind of thing for the money.
For very heavy Metal, I'd choose a different speaker.

Last time I was interstate, I met a self-proclaimed audiophile who said he was close to having his dream rig set up. We played my last album and single through that and it was super clear and super fat and ginormous.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Who says a Tele cannot rock?

Last time I was interstate, I met a self-proclaimed audiophile who said he was close to having his dream rig set up. We played my last album and single through that and it was super clear and super fat and ginormous.

The PIoneers do justice to Fragmenta, so I know what you are talking about, and I almost want to send that crushing music through my 200WPC Peavey PA and a set of EV S200's PA speakers I have. Hopefully I will.