Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

To answer your question as to why a production model could not get a custom color : because it would no longer be production.

Production line is designed to make instruments according to specification, so that they can create them more efficiently, and cut the cost of the instrument by using time changing colors and such. I know you would be willing to spend 3-400 dollars extra, but you gotta understand that a company with the size of Gibson, has a production line that turns out a significant amount of guitars. To have to stop, deal with lists of custom color options within their production line would seriously reduce their productivity, as well as have to create a totally new division of personnel who's job would be to take orders, and make sure that these guitars are sent out to the right people. Also, if they start doing that, what stops people from saying, ''All I want is a regular production Les Paul, but with an ebony board'', or 'different inlays'', or '' a different kind of wood for top''. These are all one change to the guitar, and individually don't represent a big difference, but on a large scale operation like Gibson, it kills your production method.

So, to solve this problem, they create a custom shop. The custom shop doesn't work like production, because it's not a production line system. It's where guitars are made according to a unique customer's specifications. Be it a different color, a different neck profile, a different wood, etc.... they will make it. Now, because they vary so much in specs, they have to hire their best guys in this division, the skilled A-listers. They also have a whole team to help you get your specs in, and get you the guitar. The reason why they can't grab a guitar of production and spray it for you, is that this would overlap both deparments, which would create problems as previously mentioned. Their job is to build instruments who do not fit in the production line. Because of this, even for a minor difference, you have to go through their process, not the production line's process, to get the guitar. This will mean a cost that is significantly higher because a) they don't operate in the same way, and b) they are a custom shop, so the instruments they turn out are held to a higher standard, which they want to maintain, instead of grabbing production guitars and stamping they CS logo on the back of the headstock, which would lower this standard.

It's a mix of logistics, and a system that tries to keep the production line flowing, while allowing people to be picky about things like color, inlays, or special woods, if they choose to spend the extra. They are not doing it to be a pain in the neck, it's just not a viable option for any shop.

Hopefully this helps answer your question.

Edit : PS. For non, standard colors, they have been known to offer color variation in limited runs in the past, like different shades of blue, orange or red. They evaluate this on a basis of what is requested most through surveys, and through the custom shop.

thank you for this informitive post...yeah...i would have paid the extra for the paint..but i can understand the reasons being as you explained them....i have heard some of these opinions ,last time this came up...i guess ,i just didnt see it from their eyes...but i also didnt think i was asking for too much.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

People are willing to. The one situation I don't understand is the 1974 Les Paul Deluxe (Converted to standard size Humbuckers by an a**hole) is just sitting in my dealer (Music-Go-Round in Maryland) going for $1700 with Tim Shaw era Humbuckers!!!!!
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

What is this post even trying to say?
I don't think anyone has said seriously that ALL Gibson Les Pauls are bad instruments that don't sound good.

There's at least one here who seems to be saying that…
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

thank you for this informitive post...yeah...i would have paid the extra for the paint..but i can understand the reasons being as you explained them....i have heard some of these opinions ,last time this came up...i guess ,i just didnt see it from their eyes...but i also didnt think i was asking for too much.

Among U.S. guitar makers, only Carvin seems to have the kind of business model you're looking for, in terms of a semi-custom shop at the kinds of prices most people are willing to pay.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

I paid $450 for my Gibson Les Paul Custom back in 1989. It was used and a factory second. I spent all summer sanding, painting, and cleaning boats in a boatyard to get the money in high school. That guitar plays and sounds better than any Les Paul I've ever played.

I make a good living now, but I cant justify the price Gibson now wants for a Les Paul after playing a PRS. I plan on saving up for the new PRS SC58
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

If I want something and can afford it, I buy it. Otherwise, I don't.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

And some Gibsons are priced in the Fender range.

Case in point: Just checked out a Gibson LP Jr this evening at the store and the tag was $800 (Canadian). That's right on top of a Fender Highway 1 series.

It was also the first Gibson I'd actually ever plugged in. Pros: String bends were incredibly easy, sounded great. Cons: I don't know if it had really tall frets or something but man, it was very easy to accidentally pitch chords out of tune based on finger pressure - would definitely take some getting used to before it would be playable.
 
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Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

Among U.S. guitar makers, only Carvin seems to have the kind of business model you're looking for, in terms of a semi-custom shop at the kinds of prices most people are willing to pay.

+1 to the Carvins. The main reason they are so affordable, is that they are direct-from-factory... no warehousing, storage, wholesale, retail chain of custody there, so you save A LOT. Every one I've played felt and sounded great. I like their pickups too. They were also the first brand I know of to make down-only Floyd guitars w/o a locking nut, but with a slippery nut and locking tuners, something I always wished more builders would try.
 
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I have owned a few Les Pauls that were high dollar, but nothing vintage.

My wife bought me a 58 Reissue about 10 years ago that cost $2500 or so. It's the greatest guitar I've ever touched. I then bought a 56RI gold top and another 57 at one point.

I can say this with authority... my R8 has aged well. The guitar plays better today than it did five years ago (for those of you that played it at UGD). The wood ages and breathes.

If your old man picked up the real McCoy for $5500, I bet he is happy. You should be happy because he sounds like he's working on a very nice inheritance for you some day.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

People are willing to. The one situation I don't understand is the 1974 Les Paul Deluxe (Converted to standard size Humbuckers by an a**hole) is just sitting in my dealer (Music-Go-Round in Maryland) going for $1700 with Tim Shaw era Humbuckers!!!!!


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Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

Well the old bay and mom left this morning to vacation and pick up the LP. The old man is like a giddy lil school girl and was just ready to jump out of his skin to get on the road.

Mom said he was funny trying to figure out skype. He finally got on there with his friend and had him take the cam and go over every inch of it. He is in love with it! His buddy said it has the best action he has ever felt. very low NO BUZZING!!!!!! so he says but i dont know it seems something that old would buzz a bit but who knows.

I will post some pics when i can. They are taking 2 weeks vacation and as soon as they get back i will snap a few and post them. I really want to play this thing to be honest with you.

Actually i want to play that one and grab a few 70's models and an 80's model he has and see if there is a difference in the feel.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

I think the Gibson les Paul is definitely worth $1,000 or more.

I do not think it's worth the amount they sell it for.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

get your facts straight.....i didnt want a custom piece of hand made art..i wanted a flame top standard.. for 2000 plus a purple paint job..which i figured would add 400-600 to the price..,which would have been fine...so my solution is to get one unfinished ,which they will do.....i never said they were ripping anyone off...so my facts are fine....yes...that guitar would have to come from the custom shop.....which i didnt want.....i just wanted a non production color,which they refused to do...i was instructed and informed that this build was to be a custom full build..which i didnt need because i have no way of justifieing ,with my skill level,that kind of investment.....i never said they were not worth it .also i simply didnt have that kind of money...so i dont see what you get all bent out of shape about when i relay this as i see it...remember when customers mattered to a company?...i would have paid extra for the non production paint job,i just didnt need a hand built custom shop guitar..at 5500 bucks...and no i dont understand why they cant pull off a production model ...send it to paint and get a custom color..with out having to get a custom build....yes i wish they had just a custom color option,with out having a one off made for huge dollars.....i dont mind buying american made gibson quality,and i will have a lespaul by years end....i understand they have expensive talanted builders.and that it keeps american craftmanship alive....i just thought the build sheet price was EXCESSIVE FOR MY NEEDS....no need to get all hostile dude,......maybe instead of getting all riled up..share some info with me...when it comes to production vs custom..what are the major differences in build techniques,that drive the cost up so high...i dont wanna argue..i just want a real les paul without having to refinance my house.

we're pissed off at you because you keep missing the point.

think of it this way: every time you think about a guitar, and think about a Custom Shop, feel free to add about $1,500 to the price you think they will give you. that will bring you closer to the actual price (but its still probably low).
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

I think the Gibson les Paul is definitely worth $1,000 or more.

I do not think it's worth the amount they sell it for.

If a Fender Strat is worth its price (and I think it is), a Les Paul is worth what it costs. Look at all the manufacturing steps involved in a Les Paul that simply aren't there with most Fenders.
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

If a Fender Strat is worth its price (and I think it is), a Les Paul is worth what it costs. Look at all the manufacturing steps involved in a Les Paul that simply aren't there with most Fenders.

Come on dude, you don't think gibson could know $500 off it's price?
 
Re: Why is the Les Paul so over priced?

If a Fender Strat is worth its price (and I think it is), a Les Paul is worth what it costs. Look at all the manufacturing steps involved in a Les Paul that simply aren't there with most Fenders.

Yes. A dummy like me can put together a Strat and make it work and sound great. I'll admit that Fender style guitars are not nearly as complex in their design and appointments and should be significantly less pricey than Gibsons. I mean $4000 for a Jeff Beck CS Strat? That's insane. Especially when some of the really pricey ones I've messed with use 1 11/16th nuts and the high E string is almost falling off the fretboard. No excuse for that!!!
 
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