will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

JonnyDoyle

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i have an ltd ec-401. 2 vol/1 tone. is it possible to wire it as 1 vol/1 tone and use the extra hole for a pickup selector?
i dont like the selector being up above the pickups, that extra second it takes to move your hand really make a difference sometimes and the guitars i grew up playing were not set up like that.
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

A toggle switch hole is 20-30% larger.
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

eh wait a second. You could use a 3way micro switch and some washers?
 
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Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

DO NOT drill it unless you want it to tear up the finish around the hole really quick.

Either use a mini-toggle as a selector with a couple washers (one back, one front) that have a smaller diameter

OR

Use a rat tail file to enlarge it. Go slow and easy so not too much is filed away.

OR

A hole reamer.

I couldn't find a reamer locally (crazy enough) but found a rat tail file and it does the job pefectly.
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

a high speed drill press and a good bit will not chip the finish. just go easy with it.
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

But that's not the right tool and not everybody has a high speed drill press in their garage. The proper way is either with a rat tail file or a hole reamer. Same goes with tuning peg holes.

Also, put some painter's tape in a cross pattern over the hole to protect the finish.
 
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Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

put masking tape over the spot to be drilled and drill away
doesnt tear out

but

you can go to the auto parts store and get
a 3/8 inch toggle that should fit

your hole for your volume will be about a 10 mm
the 3/8 is only slightly bigger

and would only require the larger CTS pot to fit, should you change your mind

remember

auto parts store
3 way toggle
3/8 drill bit
masking tape

its all good
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

But that's not the right tool and not everybody has a high speed drill press in their garage. The proper way is either with a rat tail file or a hole reamer. Same goes with tuning peg holes.

Also, put some painter's tape in a cross pattern over the hole to protect the finish.


Wait what? How the hell is a drill press not the right tool for making a hole?
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

Wait what? How the hell is a drill press not the right tool for making a hole?

It's not the "making a hole", it's the "making an existing hole larger". The right tool is either a reamer or a rat tail file.
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

It's not the "making a hole", it's the "making an existing hole larger". The right tool is either a reamer or a rat tail file.

Why? Is there some issue with using a pilot hole when working with a drill press? For all intents and purposes thats what hes doing. Sure you can use a reamer but that doesnt mean there is anything inherently wrong with using a drill press. With a drill press i know exactly what diameter its going to be I also do not have to worry about it being off angle. 2 things you have to be careful with a rat tail file.
 
Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

Erik is absolutely right. On all count.

You CAN use a drill press and a sharp bit, but it`s unecesarily dangerous to the instrument, and is like shooting a squirrel with a tomahawk missile. Yeah, it will get the job done, but a .22 will do it just as well with a MUCH lower risk of collateral damage.

The main issue with the drill press is that even with a steel bit (wood bits are useless in this situation because there`s no material to center the brad on) you run a huge risk of the bit running off center, and that can and will cause all sorts of unwanted funk.

If you absolutely "have" to use a drill press for whatever tenuous reason, go slow, with the sharpest bit you have, and drill from the top, supporting the back of the thin cavity wall on a lump of clay or block of scrap wood (otherwise even moderate pressure runs the risk of cracking the finish in literally every direction around the hole)... Yes, you need to remove the electronics to do this properly. Which btw is another thing that speaks for the fluted reamer or rat-tail file.

And to be honest, by the time I`ve got the right bit in the press, a block of wood, the guitar properly clamped down... you`d already be done wiring in the PU toggle if you did it with a reamer, it`s not like you`re trying to take out 3 inches of wood, more like 3 mm. ;)

Re:Pilot holes. Pilot holes are usually about 2-3 mm across and are specifically drilled to allow the unsharpened "chisel" tip of a larger bit to stay centered and allow the flutes to do the work, reducing wear on the bit as well as the physical energy necesary to accomplish the task. A pilot hole the size of a pot hole would be a pilot for about a 3-5 inch drill bit.. A size which almost nobody drills "classically" but uses a core drill for.

As far as the presicion argument goes: The hole`s dimensions do not dictate the angle of the mounted component, the plane of the cavity inside relative to the instrument`s top does. As far as the size goes: If you`re not jackhammering the file in for minutes at a time with absolutely zero in-process scrutiny of the progress, you shouldn`t have any issues. If however you ARE, which is the only way to consistently get such results, you shouldn`t be working on any kind of precision systems anyway. ;)

IMO and IME, Drill press: "quick", great for people that like to be lazy or aren`t worried so much about precision or collateral damage. File and /or reamer: just as fast, clean, professional, safe for both the operator and the instrument. All of this or course assumes that the operator is of average or better skill and intelligence...

*edit* On the other hand, it IS an LTD instrument, so the best way to do it would be to take a 2 inch drill bit, put it right where the neck and body meet, and go hog wild straight down... you can even use a hand dril or chisel and sledgehammer in this case :laugh2::beerchug:

All of that said, the micro switch /washer solution is good if you can manage the switch properly on the fly (size may be an issue) , and definitely the ideal solution if you may want to flip the instrument at a later date. No matter how cheap the axe is, less (unreversable) mods almost always means more cash on resale. ;)
 
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will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

Why? Is there some issue with using a pilot hole when working with a drill press? For all intents and purposes thats what hes doing. Sure you can use a reamer but that doesnt mean there is anything inherently wrong with using a drill press. With a drill press i know exactly what diameter its going to be I also do not have to worry about it being off angle. 2 things you have to be careful with a rat tail file.

The existing hole is quite a bit larger than a pilot hole. A proper pilot hole is very small, enough to line up the bit tip. That's what centers the bit.

The other two methods I mentioned are still the proper way to go here.
 
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^^ "Do it right or don`t do it at all" has always been my credo, and I`ve been building guitars for over 20 years and am a classically trained luthier.

So obviously The last thing I`m going to recommend is "Do it quiick and dirty, because there`s absolutely no unnecessary risk to you and your instrument doing it that way instead of doing it right and spending 30 seconds more to do so"..

Your way provides instant gratification in a world built around "me me me, want want want,now now now, no time, no time", mine provides a near guarantee of quality, at a significantly lower risk to the craftsman and instrument, and takes exact the same amount of time. The dumbest apprentice I ever saw screwed it up exactly once, and it was so minor that you need to know to look for ot to see it wasn`t perfectly round. On his first day, and by the time you have the the bit in, the block /clay in place, and everything centered for your 15 seconds of high powered machinegasm, I`m also blowing out the dust or just about to. You literally need more time to set up properly and tear down than to do the job :eyecrazy:

But I`ve never seen a file or reamer take a guitar body that was improperly secured by someo0ne with inadequate training and throw it 50 yards across the building.... ;)

In closing, You say we`re "making this too complicated", but ironically you and Edgecrusher are the ones that need a few hundred dollars in equipment and a small workshop to get the same results in the same timeframe as we can with 5$ worth of hand tools in our kitchen or on top of an amp at a gig. :beerchug:
 
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borrowing a drill press is cheaper than buying the hand tools, and it's not "quick and dirty" if you mark the position and anchor the guitar to the press first. i've been building guitars for 3 years, but since this is the internet, let's just say i've been building for 25 years and was trained by paul reed smith.

on top of that, it's extremely hard to make a perfect circle with a hand file. the final result with a drill press would look better while the switch is removed.
 
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1. You obviously have no idea who you`re talking to, and I don`t feel compelled to enlighten you. People here have known me for well over a decade, and know that I walk the walk and don`t just talk the talk.
2. Borrowing a drill press is not as eays as it sounds, you still have to know someone who owns one, and how to use 1. The latter is, as stated and you just hinted at, by far the most dangerous thing about one. Without knowing how to use one, a drill press can and will kill you. A reamer won`t, unless you stab yourself with it becasue you`Re being a complete dumbass twirling it around like a tanto knife.
3. A reamer is PURPOSE DESIGNED to perfectly enlarge holes, and is what we have been recommending, the file is the alternative for those that can`t afford 5$ for "advanced" hand tools.

And again, dumbest apprentice the world has ever seen screwed it up, minutely, ecxactly once... just because you don`t trust yourself or other people to use tools properly does not mean that they can`t do it, it simply means that you have no objective perspective on their skill set.

What surprises me is that the proponents of the drill press know so little about their tool that they have not yet considers using a reamer designed for use in a drill press, something that any woodworking machine shop on the planet should have literally at least a dozen of on hand at any given time.

And yet they feebly attempt to mock those that have obviously doing this for longer than they have even known what a guitar is :laugh2:

PS: Coming to that realization, I `m starting to understand why I`m more or less the the last one left of the professional luthiers that used to frequent the boards.... and why I don`t come by often much anymore, either.... But hmmm, yeah, if every kid with a drill press is a pro these days, no wonder.... :dot:
 
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Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

1. You obviously have no idea who you`re talking to, and I don`t feel compelled to enlighten you.
2. Borrowing a drill press is not as eays as it sounds, you still have to know someone who owns one, and how to use 1.
3. A reamer is PURPOSE DESIGNED to perfectly enlarge holes, and is what ewe have been recommending, the file is the alternative thfor those that can`t afford 5$ for hand tools.

What surprises me is that the proponents of the drill press know so little about their tool that they have not yet considers using a reamer designed for use in a drill press, something that any woodworking machine on the planet should have litearlly at least a dozen of on hand at any given time.

And yet they feebly attempt to mock those that have obviously doing this for longer than they have even known what a guitar is :laugh2:

not so much feebly as apathetically or jokingly.

i just thought of something. he should use one of these.(if you havent noticed by now what I'm doing)
you can get them at harbor freight on the cheap.
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here's another option i just remembered. use a step bit with a hand drill if you have one. it's more accurate than a reamer.
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EDIT: and settle down
 
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Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

^^ Please dont take my last post at face value, I`just realized I`m having a bit of a fracked up day and may have inadvertently let off a bit of steam on you there... but it appears that we are now getting on the same page.

I`m not a fan of powered hand drills near guitars for anything but strap buttons, but the step up bit is indeed a viable alternative in this case, and the fluted reamer from HF is exactly what Erik and I are talking about. You can buy one specifically designed for luthierie work for about 20 bucksthat is about 2-3 times a long (for reaming tuning pegs and other deeper holes), but for a pot / switch hole a short one is just fine. :beerchug:
 
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Re: will a pickup selector fit in the hole for a tone/volume knob?

I need to go by HF and get one there. I've searched all over locally and couldn't find a place that had one. Ended up using my rat tail file for a few things. Did the job but that fluted reamer would have been better.
 
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