Will a thicker e string give me better control?

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I've been doing some heavy Albert king/ SRV licks and my e string just sounds so powerless, I also can't get the vibrato as controlled as is like. What so you guys recommend besides practice? I thought maybe an 11 would make it easier to control and would work out my hands as well.


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Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

If you've got a heavy attack, it certainly can make a light high-E kind of mush out on you. If you adapt your playing to it, it shouldn't matter, but if playing that way seems natural and you don't want to change it, a heavier string might help.

For the same scale length and the same tuning, you'll have more tension on the string. This will make bends more difficult, and it will probably be harder to do hammer-on stuff with the same action height. You might want a touch more relief in the neck. You might find you can't stand having relief in the neck.

It should be fun.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

Sounds like a setup issue to me. I use .0095 and .010".

No sense tearing up your fingers for questionable improvement.

Get what's easy to procure.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

I use thicker strings because they feel more comfortable to me but I don't think they give you better control. I'd agree with the above that adjusting some things would be more productive for what you are looking for.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

Is the E lined up over the pickup pole? Are you talking about vibrato using your fingers, or the vibrato arm? I'm assuming Strat, but what guitar are you using?

I've used 10s and 11s and they worked well for Albert King bends, where the whole solo is one finger on one fret position being bent all over the place to get other notes out of it. Needed to be at least 10s just to return to being in tune after that.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

I actually found that a ep-styled booster got me closer to that SRV walking bass sound than heavy strings (I use eb power slinkys, 11-48, so not the heaviest string in the world)

Additionally I noticed a big difference from switching to one of those Dunlop Ultex Jazz III 2.0 picks - you get a lot more control over everything and in exchange you just need to adjust your strumming technique slightly.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

Yup people tend go for thicker strings when a thicker pick may do the trick even easier.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

You might want a touch more relief in the neck. You might find you can't stand having relief in the neck.

i was in the same boat for many years, i just thought that relief was just adding unnecessary string action height, till i realized that relief is a way to have a uniform action height across the fretboard and also help the lower/mid register to breath. So now, for ultra low action setups i always try to add minimal relief, in the ranks of 0.1-0.15mm @10th fret with 1st and 24th frets pressed.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

The e just feels flimsy under my fingers. I'm using 10s on a Gibson firebird.


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Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

I can't use strings lighter than .11s on Gibson scale guitars . . . in standard tuning they flop around too much for me to properly control. Give a bigger gauge a try.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

I can't use strings lighter than .11s on Gibson scale guitars . . . in standard tuning they flop around too much for me to properly control.
Yeah. A .010 set in a Gibson somehow seems even lighter to me than a .009 set in a strat. Very little of that good "fight back" feeling when you dig in.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

i was in the same boat for many years, i just thought that relief was just adding unnecessary string action height, till i realized that relief is a way to have a uniform action height across the fretboard and also help the lower/mid register to breath. So now, for ultra low action setups i always try to add minimal relief, in the ranks of 0.1-0.15mm @10th fret with 1st and 24th frets pressed.

My feeler gauge set only goes up to .003. I take it to that and make it a little straighter going by feel


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Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

I play bass in addition to guitar, so I figure if I can do bends and vibrato on a bass, I can probably do so on the heaviest of guitar strings.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

No. A thicker G-string might though



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Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

A thicker G-string would just feel nasty, I should think (never tried one myself).
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

You might like or dislike heavier strings for a variety of reasons, but they definitely won't increase your "control." More control will give you more control, with any strings. Once you get used to a set of strings, control is independent of string gauge, and entirely dependent on the controller.

To me, it just sounds like your setup is not optimized for the techniques you are attempting to employ. You use extremely low strings, IIRC. That makes a few things easier (like playing a lot of notes in a relatively short period of time). But it isn't a versatile way to set up your guitar, because it can make it harder to do a lot of other things, especially in the realm of what you are trying to play. Low strings necessitate a very light touch in order to make the notes have clarity and fullness, and they make bending more difficult. What you are trying to play is full of heavy-handed attack (with both the left and the right hand) and bends. It's not impossible to do that with super low strings, but it's like using a sports car to tow a trailer. It can be done, but it's just plain easier to do that stuff well with the right tool for the job. In the case of the trailer, that's a truck. In the case of what you are trying to do, it's higher strings. I'd start by 1.5x-ing or doubling your string height (and re-intonating to match), and then adjust from there. Also, if certain strings are sounding weaker than others, really put some time into setting up your pickups. There is a great range of tone and volume available by way of simple pickup adjustments.
 
Re: Will a thicker e string give me better control?

vibrato is about controlling your movement, heavier strings make it harder to control things or at least it takes more strength. id start by raising your action and see where that gets you.

as far as a weak e string, adjust your pickups first and see where that gets you. if the strings feel flimsy step it up. 10's on a Gibson are pretty easy to play even in standard tuning.

itsa has good advice
 
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