Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

Marco78

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I need to wiring a HSH partcaster in a similar way that Govan used in a old Suhr Standard guitar.

Is it possible to wire the guitar in this way without push/pull pots or other switch? Is it necessary a super switch?

 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

yes, a superswitch will make it easier. and no, this isn't a hard wiring to draw.
 
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it aint that hard. (I drew it with my Samsung Galaxy Note: don't judge the quality).

you have 4 poles on your average superswitch. each pole has one lug for each position, and one common, functioning as an 'output'.

first pole.
bridge on the first three lugs, fourth lug: middle.. fifth lug is empty. common goes to the volume pot.

second pole.
first lug is empty. second lug: middle. last 3 lugs: neck. common goes to volume pot.

third pole:
second and third position: coilSPLIT (sorry I wrote the wrong word I know, sorry) wire of the bridge pickup. common goes to earth.

fourth pole:
third and fourth position: coilsplit of the neckpickup. common goes to earth.

voila.

it's that simple.

Some remarks though.

1: the coilsplit wire is the red/white thing you have to connect with seymour duncans, with dimarzio's it's the white/black wire.

2: I am not sure if the empty fifth lug on the first pole and empty first lug on the second pole have to go to earth perse. I haven't drawn that in, but it might be neccasary.

if it's a strat, or any guitar with more than 2 pots, you can even have the first pole having it's own volume pot and the second pole having it's own volume pot (no need for the other 4; they are just for coiltap, unless you want a spin a split, but I only think that would be cool if you have a gibson L5 kinda guitar with 3 pickups and 6 pots).

so many options, so little time.
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

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it aint that hard. (I drew it with my Samsung Galaxy Note: don't judge the quality).

you have 4 poles on your average superswitch. each pole has one lug for each position, and one common, functioning as an 'output'.

first pole.
bridge on the first three lugs, fourth lug: middle.. fifth lug is empty. common goes to the volume pot.

second pole.
first lug is empty. second lug: middle. last 3 lugs: neck. common goes to volume pot.

third pole:
second and third position: coilSPLIT (sorry I wrote the wrong word I know, sorry) wire of the bridge pickup. common goes to earth.

fourth pole:
third and fourth position: coilsplit of the neckpickup. common goes to earth.

voila.

it's that simple.

Some remarks though.

1: the coilsplit wire is the red/white thing you have to connect with seymour duncans, with dimarzio's it's the white/black wire.

2: I am not sure if the empty fifth lug on the first pole and empty first lug on the second pole have to go to earth perse. I haven't drawn that in, but it might be neccasary.

if it's a strat, or any guitar with more than 2 pots, you can even have the first pole having it's own volume pot and the second pole having it's own volume pot (no need for the other 4; they are just for coiltap, unless you want a spin a split, but I only think that would be cool if you have a gibson L5 kinda guitar with 3 pickups and 6 pots).

so many options, so little time.

Orpheo you are very gentle!! :friday:

the guitar will be a Standard Suhr like Govan old one's.
Do you have a link that explain the super switch functioning?

Thanks a lot for your help
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

Hi,

I just explained the working of a super switch.

You have 4
 
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You have 4 poles, independant of each other. They are all operated by the same lever though. Each pole has its own output (a common tab per pole, not for the entire switch!) and each position has it's own input. So you have 4 poles, 5 positions, 20 inputs clustered in groups of 4.

Compared with a regular 5way switch you can do more. A regular 5way is constructed in such a way that in the second and fourth position, the outer inputs are always on with the middle. No way to circumvent that, really.
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

You have 4 poles, independant of each other. They are all operated by the same lever though. Each pole has its own output (a common tab per pole, not for the entire switch!) and each position has it's own input. So you have 4 poles, 5 positions, 20 inputs clustered in groups of 4.

Compared with a regular 5way switch you can do more. A regular 5way is constructed in such a way that in the second and fourth position, the outer inputs are always on with the middle. No way to circumvent that, really.

Ok Orpheo, I have one question: are the 4 poles the same? Or there is a number 1, number two an so on?
 
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Ok Orpheo, I have one question: are the 4 poles the same? Or there is a number 1, number two an so on?

Yes they are completely isolated and completely same. Each has the common lug and lugs 1 2 3 4 5. Although they arent always in the same order in every pole, you would have to check that. In two if the poles it's 1 2 3 4 5 and then the common lug and on the other tow its first the common lug then 1 2 3 4 5.

So it doesn't matter in which pole you connect whatever. The diagrams are just drawn to make them the most simple to wire. The common lugs are always on the outside edges of the pole so the four outmost lugs are the commons. Then the 1 2 3 4 5 lugs are in the same order in each pole, so 1's are facing up and 5's are facing down. Look at the following diagram and you'll hopefully understand.

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/pr...kers5-Way-Lever-Switch1-Volume2-Tones-04.html
 
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Boys another question: with my wiring I have a split (in position) 2 and 4 with outside bobbins of neck/bridge. If I would a split with inside bobbins how would the wiring change?
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

Change all THE hot wires and earths. Also for the middle pickup otherwise that pickup will be out of phase.
 
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Hi boys, after few months I have buyed a partcaster and I have installed the circuit like Orpheo drawing.

There is some problems:

1. In the position 2 and 4 I hear only middle pickups without neck and bridge bobbins.

2. With tone on 10 I have no high, while with pots on 0 I have a ton of high.
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

It shoud work. I have used this wiring many times without issues. It might be sloppy wiring anf it might be that the switch you use isnt like mine. I gave a schematic, not a diagram.

About the tonepot. Change outer lugs.
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

It shoud work. I have used this wiring many times without issues. It might be sloppy wiring anf it might be that the switch you use isnt like mine. I gave a schematic, not a diagram.

About the tonepot. Change outer lugs.

Orpheo but do you use this schematic? Can I use it with your old schematics?

because mine is very different.... I have soldered the ground wire with the black and not with green on pots!
 
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I need my brain and my fingers wired like him, not my gear.
 
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Orpheo but do you use this schematic? Can I use it with your old schematics?

because mine is very different.... I have soldered the ground wire with the black and not with green on pots!

My wiring is for 3 pickups. That one is for 2.just follow the schematic dude.
 
Re: Wiring similar to Guthrie Govan

My wiring is for 3 pickups. That one is for 2.just follow the schematic dude.

Mee to is for 3 pickups. For the links on the superswitch I use your drawing, I would to know if this schematics is good for the other links (pots, jack and so on).
 
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