You gotta hand it to Leo Fender
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nsnate02
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Re: You gotta hand it to Leo Fender
Kinda like analog vs digital, vinyl vs. Digital/CD/ect., tube vs. SS. Some of the "magic" of those older technologies is actually IN the flaws and no matter how good replication becomes, they still can't quite capture the "magic". Eventually, they get very close but they never quite get ALL of "it".
When it comes to creating an "art", whether that be paintings, sculptures, music, ECT, some of the greatest, un-reproducable creations were the results of "flaws".
I don't mind flaws.
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Kinda like analog vs digital, vinyl vs. Digital/CD/ect., tube vs. SS. Some of the "magic" of those older technologies is actually IN the flaws and no matter how good replication becomes, they still can't quite capture the "magic". Eventually, they get very close but they never quite get ALL of "it".
When it comes to creating an "art", whether that be paintings, sculptures, music, ECT, some of the greatest, un-reproducable creations were the results of "flaws".
I don't mind flaws.
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LLL
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Re: You gotta hand it to Leo Fender
:laugh2:
A particular type of guitar design's shortcomings and any given guitarist... have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
And who's Joe Bonamassa? (and does anyone care?) :laugh2:
(I was hoping you would've thrown in Paul Kossoff, Jeff Beck (briefly) or at least Jimmy Page (live) instead...)
I slung a very heavy Norlin-era black Les Paul Custom on my back for two decades.
Nowadays, I use a superior Gibson design: the Gibson SG.
It still has the high headstock angle and splayed strings over the nut issue, but the weight is great and the upper fret access is smokin'.
And yes, I will get another Les Paul (got one in 2013 but never bonded with it) eventually, but it will be solely relegated to studio use.
:laugh2:
A particular type of guitar design's shortcomings and any given guitarist... have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
And who's Joe Bonamassa? (and does anyone care?) :laugh2:
(I was hoping you would've thrown in Paul Kossoff, Jeff Beck (briefly) or at least Jimmy Page (live) instead...)
I slung a very heavy Norlin-era black Les Paul Custom on my back for two decades.
Nowadays, I use a superior Gibson design: the Gibson SG.
It still has the high headstock angle and splayed strings over the nut issue, but the weight is great and the upper fret access is smokin'.
And yes, I will get another Les Paul (got one in 2013 but never bonded with it) eventually, but it will be solely relegated to studio use.
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LLL
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oilpit
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Literally nobody in this thread has said anything negative about the Les Paul. You seem to think that is saying that I guitar from the 50's isn't some perfectly engineered shred machine that we are criticizing it.
It's just not the easiest guitar to play, you gotta work for it.
Literally nobody in this thread has said anything negative about the Les Paul. You seem to think that is saying that I guitar from the 50's isn't some perfectly engineered shred machine that we are criticizing it.
It's just not the easiest guitar to play, you gotta work for it.
LLL
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An interesting tidbit on this topic:
Scott Gorham of Thin Lizzy used to haul around a Les Paul Deluxe back in the day.
He eventually switch to a strat; in an interview he stated:
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Thin Lizzy: John Sykes and Scott Gorham Info
An interesting tidbit on this topic:
Scott Gorham of Thin Lizzy used to haul around a Les Paul Deluxe back in the day.
He eventually switch to a strat; in an interview he stated:
and
Thin Lizzy: John Sykes and Scott Gorham Info
NeedForPower
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Re: You gotta hand it to Leo Fender
Why not a Les Strat...Strat mahogany body with maple cap and set in neck?
Why not a Les Strat...Strat mahogany body with maple cap and set in neck?
Obsessive Compulsive
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No. It's because the brand name. LP is the pioneer of electric guitar, it's expensive, and it's American, what's not to like? QC issue? Noo....
To me the problem is the back that's totally flat, no contour, just like an acoustic.
No. It's because the brand name. LP is the pioneer of electric guitar, it's expensive, and it's American, what's not to like? QC issue? Noo....
To me the problem is the back that's totally flat, no contour, just like an acoustic.
NeedForPower
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Re: You gotta hand it to Leo Fender
Like this??
Its nice and it plays really well. The scale length is still a contributing factor IMO
Like this??
Its nice and it plays really well. The scale length is still a contributing factor IMO
Obsessive Compulsive
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Les Strat has been around for years. Cort KX Custom, ESP and Schecter are what come to my mind.
Les Strat has been around for years. Cort KX Custom, ESP and Schecter are what come to my mind.
NeedForPower
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Absolutely beautiful. I gotta find one. The maple cap IMO is one of the reasons a Les Paul has its magic tone and you got it right there.
Absolutely beautiful. I gotta find one. The maple cap IMO is one of the reasons a Les Paul has its magic tone and you got it right there.
LLL
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Point out where someone/anyone stated that a (given) guitarist's ability to execute is affected by the guitar's design.
Fixing design flaws simply makes things easier.
BTW, who are you? :naughty:
Point out where someone/anyone stated that a (given) guitarist's ability to execute is affected by the guitar's design.
Fixing design flaws simply makes things easier.
BTW, who are you? :naughty:
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^ or completely kills the design brief. The LP was designed around tonal goals......they tried many options of woods and dimension before that iteration was approved.
In the case of the upper fret access, the bulk around the neck join is integral to the tone of the singlecut LP.
Go the 'Ace Frehley' type double cut and you lose something......just the same as the DC vs singlecut juniors sound different......just the same way that the SG doesn't sound the same as a LP.
All guitar styles have something unique......I like them all for their own tones.
^ or completely kills the design brief. The LP was designed around tonal goals......they tried many options of woods and dimension before that iteration was approved.
In the case of the upper fret access, the bulk around the neck join is integral to the tone of the singlecut LP.
Go the 'Ace Frehley' type double cut and you lose something......just the same as the DC vs singlecut juniors sound different......just the same way that the SG doesn't sound the same as a LP.
All guitar styles have something unique......I like them all for their own tones.
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And also, although maybe to a lesser physical degree, Van Halen's original frankenstrat.
And also, although maybe to a lesser physical degree, Van Halen's original frankenstrat.
Jacew
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I agree. Though I'd say SG sounding what is sounds like is mostly due to it's thin plank body than anything else.
I agree. Though I'd say SG sounding what is sounds like is mostly due to it's thin plank body than anything else.
Dusty.Rhoads
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What does an SG sound like? Back When: In Eric Clapton's hands... Duane Allman....Tony Iommi. ...Robby Krieger. ...Jerry Garcia. ...Frank Zappa. ...Derek Trucks. ...Frank Marino.??? I'd say an SG guitar can sound like almost anything short of a elephant.
What does an SG sound like? Back When: In Eric Clapton's hands... Duane Allman....Tony Iommi. ...Robby Krieger. ...Jerry Garcia. ...Frank Zappa. ...Derek Trucks. ...Frank Marino.??? I'd say an SG guitar can sound like almost anything short of a elephant.
Re: You gotta hand it to Leo Fender
^ It sound like an SG, filtered through whatever variables you like to add.....like amp, recording techniques, player etc.
But once you remove the variables, which is what you have to do to quantify your statement, then you have a very identifiable sound. That can be tonally compared as a whole to a LP.
^ It sound like an SG, filtered through whatever variables you like to add.....like amp, recording techniques, player etc.
But once you remove the variables, which is what you have to do to quantify your statement, then you have a very identifiable sound. That can be tonally compared as a whole to a LP.
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You'd need to have done testing.......made SG's with various different body constructions as a departure from the LP construction to test what part of the overall the various aspects of the difference contribute.
And to make it legit you'd probably need about 10 of each type tested and averaged just to make sure its not just individual wood blanks chosen causing the difference.
Otherwise its just idle speculation.
You'd need to have done testing.......made SG's with various different body constructions as a departure from the LP construction to test what part of the overall the various aspects of the difference contribute.
And to make it legit you'd probably need about 10 of each type tested and averaged just to make sure its not just individual wood blanks chosen causing the difference.
Otherwise its just idle speculation.
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