You want doublecreams?

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Didn't Larry ink a deal with Ibanez a few years ago so that the cavity in the guitar only accepts DiMarzio pickups with the triangle-shaped ears, and not other pickups (SD) with square ears?
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
Didn't Larry ink a deal with Ibanez a few years ago so that the cavity in the guitar only accepts DiMarzio pickups with the triangle-shaped ears, and not other pickups (SD) with square ears?
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I don't think it goes that way. You want the cavity to match the pickups as much as possible to make sure it doesn't move around, and those Ibbies were probably designed with DiMarzios in mind. There are J Custom models that come with Duncans and Bareknuckles, too.
 
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same could be said for some of the EBMM guitars. companies like Suhr and BKP didn't seem to have an issue putting out pickups with the triangle tabs to offer alternatives for guitars like that. why do some guitar companies do that? who knows? maybe to go along with the idea of taking as little wood out of a guitar as possible - yeah, I know, that's improbable, but let's look at all sides of the situation, however small the factors.

at the end of the day, it's about a dude that took advantage of an opportunity in the system. I doesn't keep me from buying that brand, as that company puts out some products that meet my goals better than products from other companies. why would I not buy those products?...is not as if people at DiMarzio, all the way up to Larry, are being personally offensive toward me with regard to how they do things.

there will quite probably always be end users at loggerheads over how DiMarzio has approach a few things. same could go for many companies, to be fair. my dealings with them have been fine... the DiMarzio sales people have always been nice... the DiMarzio engineers have always been helpful... the DiMarzio marketing folks have always been professional and polite. when it comes to pickup companies, I can say the same about Mojotone or Fralin or DMT or many of the boutique shops (Wolfetone, Brandonwound, Re-Wind, Manlius, Smits, etc., etc.).

one approach, that I've heard at least one big company didn't move on, was having a reasonable need for cream bobbins for zebra pickups. the high points of the idea was that to conduct business effectively, consider the greater cost savings of acquiring (i.e., buying, making, whatever) a LOT of cream bobbins rather smaller batches. through the natural course of business, if there was a need to thin out an overabundance of cream, start putting them on orders for covered bobbins. if that would work or not... that's not what I'm saying and that's up to people in the pickup business to think about for themselves. the way that idea was conveyed to me was to suggest that there could very well be options that have not been put into practice as of yet.
 
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Archer250 said:
I don't think it goes that way. You want the cavity to match the pickups as much as possible to make sure it doesn't move around, and those Ibbies were probably designed with DiMarzios in mind. There are J Custom models that come with Duncans and Bareknuckles, too.
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The pickups are fastened with screws so they won't move around regardless of the size of the cavity. If the Ibbies are designed with Dimarzios in mind that would be shortsighted considering there are other brands...lol. It's Microsoft and IE all over again.
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
The pickups are fastened with screws so they won't move around regardless of the size of the cavity. If the Ibbies are designed with Dimarzios in mind that would be shortsighted considering there are other brands...lol. It's Microsoft and IE all over again.
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But they do tilt to the sides, no?

And be honest, how many more Ibbies come stock with DiMarzios as opposed to other brands. Most people who buy from Ibanez put DiMarzios in their guitars because their guitar heroes, who play Ibbies, play DiMarzios.

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Archer250 Most people who buy from Ibanez put DiMarzios in their guitars because their guitar heroes said:
^^^ Must be referring to youngsters under 40 , that's what's good about being Your own guitar hero ~ it's Alot less trouble and U dont care what other folks use . 50% of my Pickups are D M and i dont even try to know or care who loads them in their Ax .
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Archer250 said:
But they do tilt to the sides, no?

And be honest, how many more Ibbies come stock with DiMarzios as opposed to other brands. Most people who buy from Ibanez put DiMarzios in their guitars because their guitar heroes, who play Ibbies, play DiMarzios.

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My Ibanezes are reserved exclusively for DiMarzio. For some reason DM and Ibanez is a match made in heaven. Still, considerable number of people want to put other brands in their Ibbies.
 
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marcello252 said:
You're putting too much energy in this quest for the good look
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We shouldn't have to. This trademark is ridiculous if it wants to cover a wide variety of shades of creme color. Not to mention probably invalid if we can ever challenge it in court.
 
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So , was part of the Reason They were able to do it was because Gibson made All of the other trim parts in Creme but Not Bobbins ?57 Stripped G-Tp..JPG
 
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uOpt said:
We shouldn't have to. This trademark is ridiculous if it wants to cover a wide variety of shades of creme color. Not to mention probably invalid if we can ever challenge it in court.
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"we"?

you're involved in challenging the trademark?
 
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So , was part of the Reason They were able to do it was because Gibson made All of the other trim parts in Creme but Not Bobbins ?View attachment 74050
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Gibson had creme bobbins too.

They were able to do it because they claimed that Gibson never made their bobbins to be visible,being all factory humbuckers from Gibson had covers.
 
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So , was part of the Reason They were able to do it was because Gibson made All of the other trim parts in Creme but Not Bobbins ?View attachment 74050
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Doublecream is a Gibson invention....albeit inadvertent. The black raw material for the bobbins became unavailable for supply during 59......so they chose the same cream colour that the rings were made of. This gave rise to zebra pickups (when 1 machine had run out of black) and doublecreams when both were onto running cream.
Larry Dimarzio owns a 59 LP that has the doublecream exposed coil pickups. The sole reason for him doing doublecream is that someone had come up with it before and given him the idea.

His is not the only 59 with the bobbins exposed to show doublecream. People were taking off covers since Clapton was pictured with the Beano LP in 66 or 67 with the covers off. That is how the zebra/doublecream bit was found.
 
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But what about the Gibson P90's , why didn't they matter already established as Visible on the Ax ?

Was it apples and Oranges as a Single Coil ?
 
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A p90 is by definition not a doublecream as it has only 1 bobbin.

edit....and the bobbin on a p90 is still black.....those are covers there.
 
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This thread hurts my head (and the headache grows bigger with every page).

I like Duncan's Parchment better than DiMarzio's "cream" color, but that's just me.

D-bag move or not, I still buy DiMarzios if they are the tool that gets the job done best.

I really don't see any crowdfunding effort like this succeeding anyway. After all, complaining is free, but once you ask people to put their money where their mouths are, very few will actually get behind the cause with their pocketbooks.
 
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darthphineas said:
there will quite probably always be end users at loggerheads over how DiMarzio has approach a few things. same could go for many companies, to be fair. my dealings with them have been fine... the DiMarzio sales people have always been nice... the DiMarzio engineers have always been helpful... the DiMarzio marketing folks have always been professional and polite. when it comes to pickup companies, I can say the same about Mojotone or Fralin or DMT or many of the boutique shops (Wolfetone, Brandonwound, Re-Wind, Manlius, Smits, etc., etc.).
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My experience with DM is they indeed replied to my question, even sending me a diagram. One in less than 48 hours. Great customer service. At least I didn't have to shout at the DM forum and wait for response.
 
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