Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
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I use a combination of DSP hardware, software and tubes or solid-state amps. I don't think you can draw a line in the sand and say a certain class of products doesn't sound good/true. I have placed my DSP Distortion next to my vintage MXR+ and it sounds just as good if not better in some applications. It all depends on the application and how the gear is setup. A Les Paul, boutique stomp and a vintage Marshall will not magically give you a great tone. We have all seen players with great gear with bad tone. 90% of tone comes from the fingers not the gear.
I use a combination of DSP hardware, software and tubes or solid-state amps. I don't think you can draw a line in the sand and say a certain class of products doesn't sound good/true. I have placed my DSP Distortion next to my vintage MXR+ and it sounds just as good if not better in some applications. It all depends on the application and how the gear is setup. A Les Paul, boutique stomp and a vintage Marshall will not magically give you a great tone. We have all seen players with great gear with bad tone. 90% of tone comes from the fingers not the gear.
SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
This is sadly not my words . . . but it echo my feelings 100%.
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This is sadly not my words . . . but it echo my feelings 100%.
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SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
If you find BIG amps hard to record, pull a Jimmy Page on yer'self, and play through (and record) a much smaller amp in the studio, like he did with Led Zep I. (and probably many more albums after that)
If you find BIG amps hard to record, pull a Jimmy Page on yer'self, and play through (and record) a much smaller amp in the studio, like he did with Led Zep I. (and probably many more albums after that)
aleclee
Major General GAS
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
I gave up my boutique amps for an AxeFx and haven't regretted it once. Anyone in the Denver area who wants to compare with their favorite tube amp, just let me know and I'll let you figure out if you're missing anything.
I gave up my boutique amps for an AxeFx and haven't regretted it once. Anyone in the Denver area who wants to compare with their favorite tube amp, just let me know and I'll let you figure out if you're missing anything.
everdrone
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
I bought my epiphone valve junior combo with 5 watts of tube power and an 8" speaker to do just that, to sound like Led Zep
...unfortunately it is too LOUD of an amp for my apartment! I hope to get rid of it soon
I bought my epiphone valve junior combo with 5 watts of tube power and an 8" speaker to do just that, to sound like Led Zep
...unfortunately it is too LOUD of an amp for my apartment! I hope to get rid of it soon
jon the art guy
Nerdy Nerd
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Yep, same problem. Even after modding the heck out of mine, its still a one trick pony. I haven't turned the ad15v past the clean tones for a while and its got a very pretty tone and breakup. The verb is pretty wide ranging too.
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I bought my epiphone valve junior combo with 5 watts of tube power and an 8" speaker to do just that, to sound like Led Zep
...unfortunately it is too LOUD of an amp for my apartment! I hope to get rid of it soon
Yep, same problem. Even after modding the heck out of mine, its still a one trick pony. I haven't turned the ad15v past the clean tones for a while and its got a very pretty tone and breakup. The verb is pretty wide ranging too.
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rashayritto
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I use modeling for all my recording, and even when I have another guitarist over for writing/jamming. I just plug us both into my USB interface and set up a session where we can each fiddle with our own "amp" settings. Its super convenient for recording late at night because i can rock headphones.
For playing live, though, I would never use anything other than my tube amp
I use modeling for all my recording, and even when I have another guitarist over for writing/jamming. I just plug us both into my USB interface and set up a session where we can each fiddle with our own "amp" settings. Its super convenient for recording late at night because i can rock headphones.
For playing live, though, I would never use anything other than my tube amp
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Trust me brother...I know that there are LOTS of modeling being used in recordings today but that doesn't mean that I have to like it...I feel the same way about digital recordings too.
I have zero use for a bunch of digital junk in my guitar rig and I have no interest in plugging into a computer to make a record either but that doesn't mean that you or anybody else shouldn't!!!
I am only concerned with my gear and how I like my own sound and to be clear I am not saying that some guys don't get great results with digital gear but it's just not for me...
Trust me brother...I know that there are LOTS of modeling being used in recordings today but that doesn't mean that I have to like it...I feel the same way about digital recordings too.
I have zero use for a bunch of digital junk in my guitar rig and I have no interest in plugging into a computer to make a record either but that doesn't mean that you or anybody else shouldn't!!!
I am only concerned with my gear and how I like my own sound and to be clear I am not saying that some guys don't get great results with digital gear but it's just not for me...
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
I have an appreciation for digital/modeling gear, but I haven't personally found any of it worth investing in yet.
I see the benefit with recording. It's a heck of a lot easier to use a digital amp direct than it is to have a good amp with a good mic pre, microphone, proper placement in an acoustically treated room to record. Live, if you have a good sound guy, going direct is a nice pro to digital. However, if you play dive bars that have sound guys that don't care, it pays to have a real tube amp to cut through the mix.
I love tube amps and both of my amps are vintage Fenders, but I'm looking forward to the day where digital captures that feel and response that a good tube amp has. It's getting better, but I don't think it's quite there yet. There are guys that spend countless hours with IRs and tweaking parameters to get good tones through their Axe FXs, but I don't have the time or the dedication to do that. If it's designed right, I should be able to set a few knobs and get good results no matter where the dials are set like a lot of tube amps.
I also don't see it worth investing in new digital technology. Digital technology loses it's value pretty rapidly. Remember when the Line 6 stuff used to be pricey? Now, they're practically giving it away. The Eleven rack seems like a good value these days and the technology is leaps and bounds beyond stuff like the Vetta.
I have an appreciation for digital/modeling gear, but I haven't personally found any of it worth investing in yet.
I see the benefit with recording. It's a heck of a lot easier to use a digital amp direct than it is to have a good amp with a good mic pre, microphone, proper placement in an acoustically treated room to record. Live, if you have a good sound guy, going direct is a nice pro to digital. However, if you play dive bars that have sound guys that don't care, it pays to have a real tube amp to cut through the mix.
I love tube amps and both of my amps are vintage Fenders, but I'm looking forward to the day where digital captures that feel and response that a good tube amp has. It's getting better, but I don't think it's quite there yet. There are guys that spend countless hours with IRs and tweaking parameters to get good tones through their Axe FXs, but I don't have the time or the dedication to do that. If it's designed right, I should be able to set a few knobs and get good results no matter where the dials are set like a lot of tube amps.
I also don't see it worth investing in new digital technology. Digital technology loses it's value pretty rapidly. Remember when the Line 6 stuff used to be pricey? Now, they're practically giving it away. The Eleven rack seems like a good value these days and the technology is leaps and bounds beyond stuff like the Vetta.
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dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
You do know what an IR is, right?
It's a recording of a certain speaker/cabinet, with a certain microphone, from a certain distance.
If you're recording, you probably have to find the sweet spot with whatever mic you're using. You don't just plug into the amp and hope for the best.
An AxeFX with IRs, played through monitors, will NEVER sound like a 100W amp and 4x12 cabinet, because it's not supposed to. It's supposed to sound like the sound you get when you mic it up for recording
I wonder how many people that hate modeling just don't understand that fact. (I'm not saying that you're one of them 90s guy.)
You do know what an IR is, right?
It's a recording of a certain speaker/cabinet, with a certain microphone, from a certain distance.
If you're recording, you probably have to find the sweet spot with whatever mic you're using. You don't just plug into the amp and hope for the best.
An AxeFX with IRs, played through monitors, will NEVER sound like a 100W amp and 4x12 cabinet, because it's not supposed to. It's supposed to sound like the sound you get when you mic it up for recording
I wonder how many people that hate modeling just don't understand that fact. (I'm not saying that you're one of them 90s guy.)
Gone_Shootin
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I'm indifferent to a certain extent. I have both real tube amps and modeling stuff. The modeling stuff I do have leaves something to be desired (Line6 Pod farm with a UX2 interface and a Peavey Vypyr amp), but it's great for getting an idea recorded quickly with little fuss or in the case of the Vypyr, for messing around at low volumes. I have tube amps, because I like how they sound. And as far as that goes, I probably always will have tube amps because I like to tinker with stuff. I've modded my JVM, and am getting ready to build an amp from scratch. So I'm not turning my back on tube amps any time soon.
But that said, I have been seriously considering an Axe-FX II. Mainly because of the way they go about modeling (from what I understand, they model the actual components of an amp), and the tweakability of their models, especially the amps. For a guy like me that is into modding tube amps and building them, it is kind of a dream come true.
I'm indifferent to a certain extent. I have both real tube amps and modeling stuff. The modeling stuff I do have leaves something to be desired (Line6 Pod farm with a UX2 interface and a Peavey Vypyr amp), but it's great for getting an idea recorded quickly with little fuss or in the case of the Vypyr, for messing around at low volumes. I have tube amps, because I like how they sound. And as far as that goes, I probably always will have tube amps because I like to tinker with stuff. I've modded my JVM, and am getting ready to build an amp from scratch. So I'm not turning my back on tube amps any time soon.
But that said, I have been seriously considering an Axe-FX II. Mainly because of the way they go about modeling (from what I understand, they model the actual components of an amp), and the tweakability of their models, especially the amps. For a guy like me that is into modding tube amps and building them, it is kind of a dream come true.
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Modelling seems alright at <1W volumes (in tubes thru decent speakers equivalency).... For >100W amps, it is, as of yet, a humongous joke
Vypyrs and some expensive Boss floor unit I've only seen not played are alright
Spyders are horribly bad
Modelling seems alright at <1W volumes (in tubes thru decent speakers equivalency).... For >100W amps, it is, as of yet, a humongous joke
Vypyrs and some expensive Boss floor unit I've only seen not played are alright
Spyders are horribly bad
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dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Check out Peavey's Revalver software.
Check out Peavey's Revalver software.
TimmyPage
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Modelling really is the way of the future, and stuff like the AxeFX is really setting the standard for just how awesome it can sound, and it's just going to keep sounding better and better.
I think the biggest thing holding solid state and digital amps back is their obsession with sounding so much like tube amps. One of my favourite amps ever, the Fender Ultra Chorus has these amazing sparkling cleans and the most unique, smooth distortion I've ever heard. It's from the era before solid state amps were trying to be tube amps, it does it's own thing.
Modelling really is the way of the future, and stuff like the AxeFX is really setting the standard for just how awesome it can sound, and it's just going to keep sounding better and better.
I think the biggest thing holding solid state and digital amps back is their obsession with sounding so much like tube amps. One of my favourite amps ever, the Fender Ultra Chorus has these amazing sparkling cleans and the most unique, smooth distortion I've ever heard. It's from the era before solid state amps were trying to be tube amps, it does it's own thing.
jon the art guy
Nerdy Nerd
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
I have played with Revalver 1 before Peavey got them. I liked it better than amplitube and way lighter on the cpu. Easy midi implementation as well.
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Check out Peavey's Revalver software.
I have played with Revalver 1 before Peavey got them. I liked it better than amplitube and way lighter on the cpu. Easy midi implementation as well.
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ErikH
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Can't see the poll options on TapaTalk but IME, modeling has worked well both at home for silent practice (Amplitube on iPhone) to band practice, recording and live gigging (Vox AD50VT). I still have my Marshall and use it from time to time but didn't gig with it much other than outdoor gigs.
When I first got the Vox, I thought I had dialed it in pretty good. Then I let others hear it and got some tips from JeffB on dialing it in and approaching it a little differently. First thing I did was dial back the noise suppression to the bear minimum, still engaged but not chocking it off until there is nothing from the guitar. Then I just fiddled with the EQing of each model that I use the most and went from there.
With everything I need right there in the amp, effects included, I don't really need a pedalboard other than having a tuner and crybaby. It does take pedals well but I really don't need them.
Possibly the best change I made was the speaker. I yanked the stock 7080 and put in a Classic Lead 80. After hearing how it sounds through my 2x12 (same speakers), I had to get another one to put in the amp. Glad I did. More efficient speaker, better throw, better sound.
Can't see the poll options on TapaTalk but IME, modeling has worked well both at home for silent practice (Amplitube on iPhone) to band practice, recording and live gigging (Vox AD50VT). I still have my Marshall and use it from time to time but didn't gig with it much other than outdoor gigs.
When I first got the Vox, I thought I had dialed it in pretty good. Then I let others hear it and got some tips from JeffB on dialing it in and approaching it a little differently. First thing I did was dial back the noise suppression to the bear minimum, still engaged but not chocking it off until there is nothing from the guitar. Then I just fiddled with the EQing of each model that I use the most and went from there.
With everything I need right there in the amp, effects included, I don't really need a pedalboard other than having a tuner and crybaby. It does take pedals well but I really don't need them.
Possibly the best change I made was the speaker. I yanked the stock 7080 and put in a Classic Lead 80. After hearing how it sounds through my 2x12 (same speakers), I had to get another one to put in the amp. Glad I did. More efficient speaker, better throw, better sound.
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