Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
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Little Pigbacon
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So far, I've not compared any models directly with their real-amplifier counterparts. I've used modelers not as a replacement for real amps but as a way to have many different, usable sounds. I like so many different amp tones, I have a hard time committing much money or space to just one or two of them. I'd want a hundred of them.
Maybe someday I'll become the kind of player who has one sound and owns the amp that does it the best, but right now I jump around and experiment so much that it doesn't make sense. Some of you will make fun of me for this and call me a dilettante, and that's exactly what I am.
Until then, I'll have a few decent amps and a lot of modeling products. Because, whether the model sounds that much like a Fender Twin isn't the important thing. What matters is that it's a hell of a lot closer than the Marshall or the Mesa across the room, or even the other amp models on-hand. Get dialed in, get close, and get back to playing. That's how I'm looking at this right now.
So far, I've not compared any models directly with their real-amplifier counterparts. I've used modelers not as a replacement for real amps but as a way to have many different, usable sounds. I like so many different amp tones, I have a hard time committing much money or space to just one or two of them. I'd want a hundred of them.
Maybe someday I'll become the kind of player who has one sound and owns the amp that does it the best, but right now I jump around and experiment so much that it doesn't make sense. Some of you will make fun of me for this and call me a dilettante, and that's exactly what I am.
Until then, I'll have a few decent amps and a lot of modeling products. Because, whether the model sounds that much like a Fender Twin isn't the important thing. What matters is that it's a hell of a lot closer than the Marshall or the Mesa across the room, or even the other amp models on-hand. Get dialed in, get close, and get back to playing. That's how I'm looking at this right now.
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Little Pigbacon
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Well, I guess we could blame whoever made it.
This poll sucks
Well, I guess we could blame whoever made it.
thespricket
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It's also pretty amazing how many world touring guitarists are using modeling gear. Steve Howe, who used to rock a twin reverb is now cooking with a line 6 amp and HD500, and sometimes a freakin variax. Dweezil Zappa, and tons of other amazing players and artists, are using Axe FX. I can totally see how much easier it is to do regular long gigs with a digital rig.
Guitar->pedals->amp
It's also pretty amazing how many world touring guitarists are using modeling gear. Steve Howe, who used to rock a twin reverb is now cooking with a line 6 amp and HD500, and sometimes a freakin variax. Dweezil Zappa, and tons of other amazing players and artists, are using Axe FX. I can totally see how much easier it is to do regular long gigs with a digital rig.
Guitar->pedals->amp
uOpt
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At least the discussion is good
At least the discussion is good
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Actually, a PodHD 500, the Kemper and the AxeFX are 3 of them that nail those tones especially well, in sound and in feel. And they do it easier when recording and are more consistent into a PA. I have used all kinds of amps live and many over 100s of sessions, and given the choice, I can get a better sound quicker with modern modelers. And, they are fun to play with. I don't care what anyone prefers, but blanket absolutes don't work for me.
Actually, a PodHD 500, the Kemper and the AxeFX are 3 of them that nail those tones especially well, in sound and in feel. And they do it easier when recording and are more consistent into a PA. I have used all kinds of amps live and many over 100s of sessions, and given the choice, I can get a better sound quicker with modern modelers. And, they are fun to play with. I don't care what anyone prefers, but blanket absolutes don't work for me.
jon the art guy
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Gads, you know what? This is it right here. I just realized that when I played through the pod, the old Korg and most recently the vox ad15v, I use the amps as a general example of the breed, just like their names tend to represent. I'm not a particular fan of any amp company because time after time I end up not liking the sound I get from playing them after expecting something else. I AM a fan of achieving decent analogs of tones cheaply and under 60db.
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Gads, you know what? This is it right here. I just realized that when I played through the pod, the old Korg and most recently the vox ad15v, I use the amps as a general example of the breed, just like their names tend to represent. I'm not a particular fan of any amp company because time after time I end up not liking the sound I get from playing them after expecting something else. I AM a fan of achieving decent analogs of tones cheaply and under 60db.
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jon the art guy
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Have you youtubed it? There's bound to be a list of a hundred or so. You played some EVH through a browned Marshall, which is one of the most obsessed-over tones these modelers work on, as well as tones after-market user preset builders obsess over, which are usually pretty available online.
I'm not trying to start something, but unless it's a completely screwy amp, someone's worked really hard to make a decent version of it in a Kemper, Line 6 or Vox product. The latest PodHDs started putting in Supros, and Kemper is held aloft by the obsessive compulsive nature of it's users and their search to replicate. They'll be adding Matamps in soon enough, which is the one amp I would pay big bucks for (although I wouldn't, because Hovercraft makes a better one for under $700). If you're INTERESTED...it's there. If it's not, it's craftable. The only thing stopping it is you not owning the amp and testing until you get what you want.
Have you youtubed it? There's bound to be a list of a hundred or so. You played some EVH through a browned Marshall, which is one of the most obsessed-over tones these modelers work on, as well as tones after-market user preset builders obsess over, which are usually pretty available online.
I'm not trying to start something, but unless it's a completely screwy amp, someone's worked really hard to make a decent version of it in a Kemper, Line 6 or Vox product. The latest PodHDs started putting in Supros, and Kemper is held aloft by the obsessive compulsive nature of it's users and their search to replicate. They'll be adding Matamps in soon enough, which is the one amp I would pay big bucks for (although I wouldn't, because Hovercraft makes a better one for under $700). If you're INTERESTED...it's there. If it's not, it's craftable. The only thing stopping it is you not owning the amp and testing until you get what you want.
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everdrone
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I have never heard a modeler axefx or otherwise sound as good as a real 50 watt dynamic tube amp with a fuzz pedal!
real tube amp with fuzz pedal:
axefxII with modeled fuzz pedal:
at 1:00 minute axefx II with modeled fuzz pedal:
no comparison!
I have never heard a modeler axefx or otherwise sound as good as a real 50 watt dynamic tube amp with a fuzz pedal!
real tube amp with fuzz pedal:
axefxII with modeled fuzz pedal:
at 1:00 minute axefx II with modeled fuzz pedal:
no comparison!
Chickenwings
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i used guitar rig for a while, but the fender amp sims and tubescreamer sims weren't as cool as a real fender amp and tubescreamer. I'm sure the newer stuff sounds better than the version of guitar rig that i used, but seeing as i use an amp when i play, it just makes more sense to me use it when i record as well. Simple is best for my uses.
i used guitar rig for a while, but the fender amp sims and tubescreamer sims weren't as cool as a real fender amp and tubescreamer. I'm sure the newer stuff sounds better than the version of guitar rig that i used, but seeing as i use an amp when i play, it just makes more sense to me use it when i record as well. Simple is best for my uses.
Jocelyn
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I am not a Tube Snob. I can't afford a good tube amp. But my issue with modelers is too may options. I like it simple. Whenever I plugged in to a modeler or some Processor , I found my self fiddling around most of the time. Maybe I dont know how to tweak them well. I have looked time and again at the Vox Valvetronics.. but back of every time.
I am considering a Roland Cube.
I am not a Tube Snob. I can't afford a good tube amp. But my issue with modelers is too may options. I like it simple. Whenever I plugged in to a modeler or some Processor , I found my self fiddling around most of the time. Maybe I dont know how to tweak them well. I have looked time and again at the Vox Valvetronics.. but back of every time.
I am considering a Roland Cube.
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ItsaBass
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Completely lame for gigging or professional recording. Perfect for a bedroom player, or perhaps for doing quick demos for the purpose of song writing and/or arranging, without much of a gear footprint being needed. I would never release anything I had recorded with modeling equipment. I would use it for the above-mentioned writing and arranging, and most likely in the middle of the night when I can't be playing amps. For a "real" recording or gig, I can always, and easily, make something sound better without it.
FWIW, I feel the same way about using synthesized piano, organ, strings, brass, etc. on recordings. It's incredibly lame and amateur, and never sounds good. It has its purposes as mentioned above, but never on an actual release.
Completely lame for gigging or professional recording. Perfect for a bedroom player, or perhaps for doing quick demos for the purpose of song writing and/or arranging, without much of a gear footprint being needed. I would never release anything I had recorded with modeling equipment. I would use it for the above-mentioned writing and arranging, and most likely in the middle of the night when I can't be playing amps. For a "real" recording or gig, I can always, and easily, make something sound better without it.
FWIW, I feel the same way about using synthesized piano, organ, strings, brass, etc. on recordings. It's incredibly lame and amateur, and never sounds good. It has its purposes as mentioned above, but never on an actual release.
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SirJackdeFuzz
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BETTER ?
. . . that is a massive statement !
I like their amps a lot, but is it better than the MATAMP GT-1 and the all-mighty GREEN/ELECTRIC 120 MVU tone monster ?
BETTER ?
. . . that is a massive statement !
I like their amps a lot, but is it better than the MATAMP GT-1 and the all-mighty GREEN/ELECTRIC 120 MVU tone monster ?
SirJackdeFuzz
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NICE amps.
They worked for Seasick Steve in his early dayz :
NICE amps.
They worked for Seasick Steve in his early dayz :
SirJackdeFuzz
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I forgot to mention the Yamaha THR10. This thing is probably the easiest practice based modeler available out there & the price isn't excessive either.
It can be used with bass & acoustic guitar too. Here are some videos of it for those that still haven't heard of it. For low volume practicing & recording this one would probably the easiest to get your head around. The PC editor gives access to more options effects wise, but you can do without it for basic straightforward tones i guess. I'd love it if yamaha came out with a bigger sized version of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjUVQbHLnM
^ Soren rocks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzKOzppQi6k
I forgot to mention the Yamaha THR10. This thing is probably the easiest practice based modeler available out there & the price isn't excessive either.
It can be used with bass & acoustic guitar too. Here are some videos of it for those that still haven't heard of it. For low volume practicing & recording this one would probably the easiest to get your head around. The PC editor gives access to more options effects wise, but you can do without it for basic straightforward tones i guess. I'd love it if yamaha came out with a bigger sized version of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjUVQbHLnM
^ Soren rocks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzKOzppQi6k
SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
To each his own, an' all of that . . .
. . . so if it was up to me, i would drive down to London and record here :
To each his own, an' all of that . . .
. . . so if it was up to me, i would drive down to London and record here :
SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software
Better shot . . .
Better shot . . .
everdrone
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lol I wonder where each persons 'line in the sand' is with recording an album...
reamping?
editing after a take? click tracks?
does guitarist need to be in room with amp when recording?
does band need to be together in room doing song to get the true feel and interaction?
digital plugins?
melodyne and pitch correct software?
get rid of all these soft spots here, I need originality, warts and all :beerchug:
lol I wonder where each persons 'line in the sand' is with recording an album...
reamping?
editing after a take? click tracks?
does guitarist need to be in room with amp when recording?
does band need to be together in room doing song to get the true feel and interaction?
digital plugins?
melodyne and pitch correct software?
get rid of all these soft spots here, I need originality, warts and all :beerchug:
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