Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

[jon the art guy]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

BETTER ?

. . . that is a massive statement !

I like their amps a lot, but is it better than the MATAMP GT-1 and the all-mighty GREEN/ELECTRIC 120 MVU tone monster ?

Yes. They are. Instead of getting what I can get and dealing with what Matamp built, I can get a heavy 20w, 50w, 100w, or bigger with a supergroup, Sunn, Matamp, Orange Graphic, or whatever else. I can get 2 channels, effects loop, and custom tolex.

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[uOpt]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

At the end of the day there is one important factor here:

I am not comfortable putting my gear money into things that drop in value quickly. I don't earn money with my music gear and there can be extended periods where I don't play. I try hard to control the pool of money in my gear and for the most part it doesn't leak. Even an Axe-FX would leak.

I did buy that Peavy modeling software when it was on sale for $30, I guess that's an acceptable leak . Too bad there is no windows machine anywhere close to my music room. Hmmm....

 

[uOpt]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Better shot . . .

Where is that?

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Yes. They are. Instead of getting what I can get and dealing with what Matamp built, I can get a heavy 20w, 50w, 100w, or bigger with a supergroup, Sunn, Matamp, Orange Graphic, or whatever else. I can get 2 channels, effects loop, and custom tolex.

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Man, sounds too good to be true !

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Where is that?

Toerag Studios, London (UK)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_Rag_Studios

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct03/articles/toeragstudios.htm

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

In 1991, rack equipment was all the rage; the Rockman was the closest thing to a modeler we had.

I'm all ears... have any examples of a modeler doing a passable job of emulating (for example) a cranked JTM45? Or a 1959 (plexi or metal panel)?

When a modeler can get close to a tone like these (my modded JTM45)...

RWTD
http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=12349403

SGMAD
http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=12355554

Euflubtion
http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=12361966

U
http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=12349401

...then I'll be convinced. Still think they have a long, long way to go.

Again ... you probably don't even realize how many "cranked JTM45"s you think you're hearing that are actually modellers.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

I'll bet good money that the "you can't get this tone from a modeller" crowd hasn't touched a modeller since the Pod XT.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Man, sounds too good to be true !

Look em up on Facebook. Hovercraft amps. Certifiable lunacy.

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[crusty philtrum]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

I'm one of those people who doesn't need to touch a modeller because i can still use the real thing .... an amplifier ... so there's no point in using an imitation while i can still use the real thing.

However, i'm happy to know that progress is being made in that area so that by the time i am forced to use alternatives to amplifiers, modelling technology should be starting to get good. Well, it's probably started to get good now, but it still has a long way to go. I'd like to see it reach a point where instead of having a unit that can (supposedly) sound like 50 amps, each unit uses all of it's power to emulate just one amplifier, therefore doing a better job of it.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

I'm one of those people who doesn't need to touch a modeller because i can still use the real thing .... an amplifier ... so there's no point in using an imitation while i can still use the real thing.

However, i'm happy to know that progress is being made in that area so that by the time i am forced to use alternatives to amplifiers, modelling technology should be starting to get good. Well, it's probably started to get good now, but it still has a long way to go. I'd like to see it reach a point where instead of having a unit that can (supposedly) sound like 50 amps, each unit uses all of it's power to emulate just one amplifier, therefore doing a better job of it.

Blackstar is working on that, Line has the tube preamp/tube power amp/4 main voice amp, and tech21 has their character pedals, as well as other boutique companies who do analog models using transistorized modeled tube layouts like aMT.

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[Gone_Shootin]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

I'll bet good money that the "you can't get this tone from a modeller" crowd hasn't touched a modeller since the Pod XT.

You're probably not too far off, because modeling has gone leaps and bounds since the PodXT came out......which is why I gave mine to my drummer a few months ago.

 

[dominus]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

FWIW, I feel the same way about using synthesized piano, organ, strings, brass, etc. on recordings. It's incredibly lame and amateur, and never sounds good. It has its purposes as mentioned above, but never on an actual release.

The first minute is all programmed from samples. Including the choirs.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Look em up on Facebook. Hovercraft amps. Certifiable lunacy.

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We are 'friends' on FB

 

[jon the art guy]

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We are 'friends' on FB

Those SN121 Dwarvonaut designs are my fave. They can even do clean, which is wacky. My happy amp would be a two channel with FACs, 2x, extra filth knob on the back and an fx loop.

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[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Those SN121 Dwarvonaut designs are my fave. They can even do clean, which is wacky. My happy amp would be a two channel with FACs, 2x, extra filth knob on the back and an fx loop.

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. . . one day mate, one day

 

[Rory61]

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I always use modeling while tracking drums. Either Anvil, Amplitube or if the guitar player wants to fiddle, the J-Station. Overdubs are with real amps, and 90% of the time the guitar players want to keep the digital tracks in the mix because they sound pretty damn good.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

The first minute is all programmed from samples. Including the choirs.

AAAAH you made me hit Play on a Dimmu Borgir video. I need to look at the descriptions more often...ya'll tricking me into Dimmu Borgir videos and vaginal knitting.
What wrong wit ya'll.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

I use a modeler for the simple fact that I can't keep a 100 watt tube amp and a 4x12 in my dorm room. Everyone would kill me. The modeler does well and I've started using it live too, and it still sounds pretty good plugged straight into the board. Next time I play I'm gonn use the power amp section of my amp with the modeler as a preamp and see how that sounds.

 

[Securb]

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I'll bet good money that the "you can't get this tone from a modeller" crowd hasn't touched a modeller since the Pod XT.

I would tend to agree. I use a DSP modeler for distortion and fuzz, I know the cork sniffers find this to be sacrilege, "digital fuzz" and overdrive. But I would suggest pluging into one and then getting back to me.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

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I'd like to see it reach a point where instead of having a unit that can (supposedly) sound like 50 amps, each unit uses all of it's power to emulate just one amplifier, therefore doing a better job of it.

With digital modeling, the modeler does use all its power to emulate one amplifier at a time. It's not like an analog amp with a bunch of channels and everything crammed into one chassis and the different parts of the circuit inducing noise on each other. Just like a computer can have a web browser, Photoshop, a DAW program, and a few games installed on it, if you run one at time the computer will use (most) all of its resources to run that one application. Actually, the modeler will do its thing more efficiently, because it's a purpose-built machine that does nothing but run amplifier emulations; it won't be subject to the system bloat of a computer with many applications installed on it.