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  • True Bypass VS Buffer

    ok so I like the long instrument cables

    Josh at JHS, says I need a buffer on either end of my Pedalboard to make up for my cables and ton of pedals
    so I got a tuner and a Fuzz first
    then I can stick the Boss DS-1 in after the Fuzz and just not turn it on
    this gives me my first Buffer

    I have some Behringer reverbs and such I can stick at the end of the line before it hits the front of the amp

    Since Behringers are copies of Boss
    do they have the same buffer?
    Seems like the would

    What about any other pedal not labeled "True Bypass"
    would they have buffers by default or is it just a crap shoot
    I have a Biyang Tri Reverb that does not say True Bypass on its switch
    does anyone know if it is

    is there a test with a meter that can tell if it has a buffer or not?
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    On a true bypass the signal will go through even if the pedal is unpowered, because it should act as a piece of cable when not engaged. Unpowered buffered pedals will not let your signal through. At least according to my limited knowledge and experience....

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    • #3
      thanks for the link that clears a lot up
      and it explains why that old script orange phaser swirls no matter what
      EHD
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      • #4
        In my experience you usually want to put a buffer as close to the cable that comes out of your guitar as possible. After the buffer you can run a lot of cable and pedals without really caring too much about tone loss. Also important to note - most pedals will act as a buffer when on . . . so when in doubt you can always just stick a clean boost at the front and leave it on all the time to accomplish this.
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        • #5
          Well Josh said not before a fuzz

          So tuner
          then Fuzz
          Then some boost or the Boss DS1

          Like in the Op

          So any pedal at the end of chain will work?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ehdwuld View Post
            Well Josh said not before a fuzz

            So tuner
            then Fuzz
            Then some boost or the Boss DS1

            Like in the Op

            So any pedal at the end of chain will work?
            Depends on the fuzz you have. Fuzz faces and primitive type fuzzes (tone benders, etc.) usually like to be first. A big muff doesn't care.

            The DS-1 is buffered. I'd put the tuner after the fuzz and DS-1 - just kick off the gain to tune and kick it back on when you're done. This way you've only got one pedal before the buffer.
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            • #7
              Usually I only keep buffers on my distortions because that's what the guitar sees first. After that I don't particularly care so long as it's not a crappy buffer, but you don't see those too much these days.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by ehdwuld View Post
                is there a test with a meter that can tell if it has a buffer or not?
                Easier than that. A buffer needs power to work. If you unplug the pedal and still get sound, it doesn't have a buffer.

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                • #9
                  I don't know if all Boss pedals have the same buffer, but I changed from a TU-3 to a TC Polytune 3 because the buffer clipped/compressed with hot pickups. I could literally see it when I recorded DI's from the both the main and parallel outs. That's unacceptable, IMO.

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                  • #10
                    What kind of tune is it? If it's a Boss TU it has a buffer.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rex_Rocker View Post
                      I don't know if all Boss pedals have the same buffer, but I changed from a TU-3 to a TC Polytune 3 because the buffer clipped/compressed with hot pickups. I could literally see it when I recorded DI's from the both the main and parallel outs. That's unacceptable, IMO.
                      They don’t. The input impedance of the TU-2, TU-3 and TU-3W are different. Reportedly the TU-2 was 1M, the TU-3 is 2.2M and the TU-3W is 1M or True Bypass. If you compare the TU-3 to the others you might find it slightly brighter if it’s the first in line.

                      ehdwuld
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                      ehdwuld, I think your DS-1 plan sounds good. if you find weird things happening when you engage/disengage a pedal, you can consider an output buffer. Technically it’s “better” to have one, but “technically” a Fuzz Face is a Schmitt Trigger that doesn’t belong anywhere near an audio path!


                      The reason for the output buffer is to make the impedance relationship between the pedals and the amp input common. In rare cases you could step on a delay or chorus pedal and all of a sudden you are driving the amp input differently causing a tonal or gain change. I had this happen with the Belle Epoch, when turned it on the tone changed (which in some senses it’s supposed to, but I had it set as transparent as possible) but I didn’t like a volume bump when the delay went on. Switching it to buffered/preamp always on was great. That was it was a little extra goose into the amp’s input all the time.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ehdwuld View Post
                        Well Josh said not before a fuzz

                        So tuner
                        then Fuzz
                        Then some boost or the Boss DS1

                        Like in the Op

                        So any pedal at the end of chain will work?
                        Surprisingly, the Fuzz Face circuit is affected not just by a buffer in front,but also by one after it.
                        Turns out that downstream loading can actually be used to tune its sound.
                        I only recently realized this.

                        One solution would be to mod the fuzz with a cap to ground.
                        With true bypass, it can be done in a way that won't affect your tone when the pedal isn't engaged.
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                        Last edited by eclecticsynergy; 09-14-2021, 05:42 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Hmmmm
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                          SR500 / Martin 000CE-1/Epiphone Hummingbird
                          Epiphone Florentine with OEM Probuckers
                          Ehdwuld branded Blue semi hollow custom with JB/Jazz
                          Reptile Green Gibson Custom Studio / Aqua Dean Shire semi hollow with piezo
                          Carvin Belair / Laney GC80A Acoustic Amp (a gift from Guitar Player Mag)
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                          • #14
                            Don't forget impedance. Just as important. I'll make a new thread.
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                            • #15
                              It doesn't matter. Everyone is overthinking this. Just move your pedals around until you get a pleasant sound.


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