1 watt or 1/2 watt Tube amps

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Had to sell my JSX Mini Colossal with a built in attenuator because even that was too loud.

It's either computer based guitar playing like Line6 or a Vox/Roland/Pod type setup for apartment living unless your neighbors are super cool. No way around it.

That's why I'm looking for a house as we speak, so i can get loud.
 
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Thank God i live in a house with the nearest house to me being a min of 30-35meters (ft ???) from me ! I am also the very last house in a dead-end street, so there is only one house next to me and one on the other side of the very, very big roundabout !



James
Amen, I just moved in my new and first house last monday. Last night I played for the first time in weeks and I still can't believe how good it feels to be able to play as loud as I want without anyone complaining....:D

BTW: that killer ant sounds just amazing with the volume dimed!
 
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One thing I've found the helps with having cool neighbors is having the discipline to shut off your amp come nighttime. I'll usually shut down around 9ish, but 10p is the limit, it doesn't matter how much fun I'm having or if I'm on a roll or not. I've never heard a complaint from any of the neighbors. If your neighbors compain, you could probably work out a deal that the amp never gets turned up past a certain point, and gets shut off at a certain time in the evening, like 8 or 9p. Most people are reasonable and can agree to that sorta thing.
 
Re: 1 watt or 1/2 watt Tube amps

One thing I've found the helps with having cool neighbors is having the discipline to shut off your amp come nighttime. I'll usually shut down around 9ish, but 10p is the limit, it doesn't matter how much fun I'm having or if I'm on a roll or not. I've never heard a complaint from any of the neighbors. If your neighbors compain, you could probably work out a deal that the amp never gets turned up past a certain point, and gets shut off at a certain time in the evening, like 8 or 9p. Most people are reasonable and can agree to that sorta thing.
My former neighbors used to complain even before dinner time... and the g****ed landlords didn't have anything better to do than take side with them even if they themselves never could hear anything even through my door...
 
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It is not a matter of sides. I have 5 kids (ages 2 to 24), 2 grandkids (1 week and 4 years) and I have to say if the neighbor was playing a TV, Radio, Stereo, Guitar or other device in any way that woke up a kid or disturbed the household I would not be very compassionate. We do not do that to the neighbors, and I would not want them to do it to us. It is just inconsiderate. Part of adult social behavior is learning how to maintain appropriate social relationships and space. Being a part of society places limits on all of our freedoms. If that is not acceptable (within moral-legal limits) then it is time to think about living someplace else.
 
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It is not a matter of sides. I have 5 kids (ages 2 to 24), 2 grandkids (1 week and 4 years) and I have to say if the neighbor was playing a TV, Radio, Stereo, Guitar or other device in any way that woke up a kid or disturbed the household I would not be very compassionate. We do not do that to the neighbors, and I would not want them to do it to us. It is just inconsiderate. Part of adult social behavior is learning how to maintain appropriate social relationships and space. Being a part of society places limits on all of our freedoms. If that is not acceptable (within moral-legal limits) then it is time to think about living someplace else.
I'm sorry but was that an answer specific to my post?

I won't answer too radically but you're far from knowing or understanding the whole situation/story... I won't go into details but let me just say that I never played my acoustic past 8 p.m. and they accused me of playing with drums and all that until 3 in the morning, having parties, etc... I worked all days and most of the week-end they referred to I was out of town and so was my girlfriend... yet the landlords took their complaints as absolute truths and didn't stop bothering us non-stop for everything: everytime I nailed a painting to the wall, everytime I watched TV during the day at VERY reasonable volume, you name it...

I had been living in appartment buildings for 10 years and never had a SINGLE complaint made against me before that.

I understand that my answer may seem rash but if it was aimed at my situation, you'd have to know the full story before thinking I was in any way disrespectful or inconsiderate...
 
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Honestly, if you have the time and/or the money, power scale your amp. I've powerscaled my Plexi, and now I can use it at bedroom levels with full power tube distortion.

Without scaling, even my Ax84 P1-Extreme is too loud, at 8 watts of single-ended power. I also ended up powerscaling it, using a modified version of the VVR circuit from 18-watt.com (very easy, since the P1-Extreme, like the 18watt, is cathode-biased and doesn't require the bias-tracking like the Plexi).
 
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I wasn't directing at anyone in particular. As I recall I said within reason. I do not even remember your post specifically. If you feel it fits fine, if not fine. I was directing it at the attitude some hold that if they want to do whatever that others need to adjust. Everyone needs to adjust. As I said this was why I said within reason. Either side can be unreasonable.
 
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Power scaling is a method of turning down the voltage, usually just the power amp stages (there are issues with doing the whole amp). Normally, the power stage is running full tilt, and volume is reduced by choking off the signal reaching the power stage (i.e. master volume). This certainly works for decreasing volume, but the signal entering the power stage is now too weak to cause it to overdrive.

Instead of choking off the signal, like other methods such as master volumes, power scaling instead makes the power stage act 'smaller' (for lack of a better term) by reducing the voltage to the power tubes.

When an amp is power scaled, one knob controls the volume (actually voltage to the power stage) and another controls the amount of signal reaching the power stage (drive compensation). Without the drive compensation knob, as volume is reduced (i.e. voltage is reduced to the power tubes), the power stage becomes overwhelmed by the incoming signal, and powerstage distortion increases. In effect, this knob (which electrically is identical to a master volume) controls the amount of signal slamming the power stage. So, the power scaling knob reduces the voltage and volume, and drive compensation tweaks the amount of power tube distortion.

For fixed-bias amps (i.e. the ones where *you* can adjust bias, such as Plexis, JC800s, etc.) things are a bit more complicated. As voltage is reduced, the bias also needs to be reduced. Power scaling kits from London Power (google it) have automatic bias tracking, so that bias is reduced appropriately as voltage is reduced. This is what I use on my Metropoulos Plexi.

For cathode-bias amps (e.g. 18 watt, a lot of Fenders, Ax84, AC30?), the design means that the tubes automatically adjust their bias with changes in voltage (i.e. the user never, ever, has to set the bias). In other words, you no longer need to worry about tracking voltage, and hence scaling is much simpler. The folks over at 18watt.com have come up with an open-source solution called VVR (Variable Voltage Reduction). It's a few caps, resistors, and a mosfet, and I easily adapted the design to my AX84 P1-Extreme. Also, several folks over there sell off-the-shelf boards/kits.

Either way, it requires modifying your amp. So, if you aren't comfortable doing it, you'll need to hire a tech to do it.


The 18watt Suhr Badger features power scaling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUxUB-6qjw
 
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I wasn't directing at anyone in particular. As I recall I said within reason. I do not even remember your post specifically. If you feel it fits fine, if not fine. I was directing it at the attitude some hold that if they want to do whatever that others need to adjust. Everyone needs to adjust. As I said this was why I said within reason. Either side can be unreasonable.
Great, sorry I misinterpreted...

No disrespect intended of course...
 
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