richard parker
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Does anyone play in situations where they really need the volume a 100w amp can produce ? Just wondered.
100 watt amps
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Laughing Kookaburra
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Re: 100 watt amps
Never. My 50 watt Hiwatt and Marshall w/either a 4x12 or 2x12 were more than enough, sometimes too much. I was miced in many situations. Mid sized venues, but they would have been sufficient for large venues w/a mic.
Never. My 50 watt Hiwatt and Marshall w/either a 4x12 or 2x12 were more than enough, sometimes too much. I was miced in many situations. Mid sized venues, but they would have been sufficient for large venues w/a mic.
drew_half_empty
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Re: 100 watt amps
bout every weekend
bout every weekend
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: 100 watt amps
This information is often repeated on internet forums, but a 100W amp is only about 3db louder than an equivalent 50W amp (IE JCM2000 50W vs 100W). So the question becomes, "Does anyone play in situations where they really need the clean headroom a 100w amp can produce?"
The answer is yes. Most people playing the heavier types of metal need the clean headroom from the power section, because if the power amp was breaking up, along with the massive amounts of preamp gain used in these types of music, it'd be noise-a-palooza.
This information is often repeated on internet forums, but a 100W amp is only about 3db louder than an equivalent 50W amp (IE JCM2000 50W vs 100W). So the question becomes, "Does anyone play in situations where they really need the clean headroom a 100w amp can produce?"
The answer is yes. Most people playing the heavier types of metal need the clean headroom from the power section, because if the power amp was breaking up, along with the massive amounts of preamp gain used in these types of music, it'd be noise-a-palooza.
Red_Label
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Re: 100 watt amps
Not just metal. The opposite holds true as well. If you require real clean tones at loud volumes, then you also need that clean headroom. I've been playing country and classic rock for many years, and summers are always full of outdoor gigs that require me to be running my amps hard, and yet keep them clean. Last night was what is probably my last country/classic rock gig. I quit me former band last year, but they needed me to fill-in for their new lead player last night. So I took my XTC Classic to the outdoor gig and ended-up running the volume above noon the whole night in full-power mode.
Anyways... last week I played my first gig with my new band (hard rock/light metal) and used my VHT Ultra Lead and also ran the master volume at above noon. So clean headroom in a loud, outdoor or arena gig situation is important no matter what the style of music you play. I also happen to like a nice low-end grunt from my amps and you're not gonna get that with a 5 or 20 watt amp. Not like you do with a 100 watter...
Not just metal. The opposite holds true as well. If you require real clean tones at loud volumes, then you also need that clean headroom. I've been playing country and classic rock for many years, and summers are always full of outdoor gigs that require me to be running my amps hard, and yet keep them clean. Last night was what is probably my last country/classic rock gig. I quit me former band last year, but they needed me to fill-in for their new lead player last night. So I took my XTC Classic to the outdoor gig and ended-up running the volume above noon the whole night in full-power mode.
Anyways... last week I played my first gig with my new band (hard rock/light metal) and used my VHT Ultra Lead and also ran the master volume at above noon. So clean headroom in a loud, outdoor or arena gig situation is important no matter what the style of music you play. I also happen to like a nice low-end grunt from my amps and you're not gonna get that with a 5 or 20 watt amp. Not like you do with a 100 watter...
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: 100 watt amps
I guess I forgot that one because it's the most obvious answer. D'oh!
While you're here, indulge me - how did the preform live? Better than you were expecting? Worse? (I laughed, but I've got to ask.)
I guess I forgot that one because it's the most obvious answer. D'oh!
While you're here, indulge me - how did the preform live? Better than you were expecting? Worse? (I laughed, but I've got to ask.)
MetalManiac
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Re: 100 watt amps
My 100 watt Marshall JMP half stack Cranked nearly balls out through a 4x12 is JUST right volume wise. Too loud?, no. not even. PERFECT!@!
My 100 watt Marshall JMP half stack Cranked nearly balls out through a 4x12 is JUST right volume wise. Too loud?, no. not even. PERFECT!@!
Edgecrusher
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Re: 100 watt amps
Do I need all the volume? Of course not but ive never heard smaller amps that sound like 100 watt amps. Sure they can sound good but the differences in power supplies and output valves instead of 2 add up to a different tone that you just cant get from a smaller amp.
Do I need all the volume? Of course not but ive never heard smaller amps that sound like 100 watt amps. Sure they can sound good but the differences in power supplies and output valves instead of 2 add up to a different tone that you just cant get from a smaller amp.
sonicexplorer
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Re: 100 watt amps
I've played the parking lot on open house at work. Used my dsl and 1936 cab with no miking. Only the vocals are goin thru pa.
I've played the parking lot on open house at work. Used my dsl and 1936 cab with no miking. Only the vocals are goin thru pa.
Edgecrusher
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Re: 100 watt amps
I remember once at a motley crue concert we were far enough to the edge that you could see that besides the first 2 stacks on each side of the drum riser the rest were all a cardboard cut out.
Reminds me of when I was in high school I came up with the idea of building a replica marshall cab. From a distance it looked good but the top of it would open and we used it to store our PA cables and stuff. Was a cool idea to give us that full stack look without actually having to lug a full stack around.
I remember once at a motley crue concert we were far enough to the edge that you could see that besides the first 2 stacks on each side of the drum riser the rest were all a cardboard cut out.
Reminds me of when I was in high school I came up with the idea of building a replica marshall cab. From a distance it looked good but the top of it would open and we used it to store our PA cables and stuff. Was a cool idea to give us that full stack look without actually having to lug a full stack around.
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Edgecrusher
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Re: 100 watt amps
LOL no it wasn't that good of a replica but would be a nice surprise for a would be thief. I also liked that it had casters and big handles. I cant stand the little metal handles that are on a lot of road cases
LOL no it wasn't that good of a replica but would be a nice surprise for a would be thief. I also liked that it had casters and big handles. I cant stand the little metal handles that are on a lot of road cases
Re: 100 watt amps
My experience with my 100w DSL:
Most of the sound engineers told me to reduce volume when I cranked it up on stage. Why? Because the front mix is far better when every instrument is on equal level.
Certainly it is different when you hit the stage outdoor without PA.
Even though I would never go beyond 100W because the clean sounds are superb!
My experience with my 100w DSL:
Most of the sound engineers told me to reduce volume when I cranked it up on stage. Why? Because the front mix is far better when every instrument is on equal level.
Certainly it is different when you hit the stage outdoor without PA.
Even though I would never go beyond 100W because the clean sounds are superb!
That90'sGuy
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Re: 100 watt amps
I jammed with a band in high school with a really, really hard hitting drummer. Just to hear myself in the mix, I'd have to crank the amp I had at that time - a Hughes & Kettner Triamp. That's one seriously loud amplifier; it was painful even at a distance. The last group I was in, the drummer was tasteful and I found myself hardly touching the master on my Bogner.
I jammed with a band in high school with a really, really hard hitting drummer. Just to hear myself in the mix, I'd have to crank the amp I had at that time - a Hughes & Kettner Triamp. That's one seriously loud amplifier; it was painful even at a distance. The last group I was in, the drummer was tasteful and I found myself hardly touching the master on my Bogner.
Red_Label
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Re: 100 watt amps
And Sat night was my first gig with the XTC Classic. It was great too... but much more a country and rock amp than a metal one. Since that was in all probability my last country/classic rock gig... I'm likely gonna put the Bogner up for sale and replace it with another amp that can hang with the Ultra Lead. I'm REALLY wanting a Diezel Herbert or VH4... or even the new Hagen... but it's VERY doubtful I'm gonna be able to afford one of those. So I'm also looking at Engls maybe a Mesa Mark V.
The VHT performed awesomely. I was running it into my Bogner OS2X12 and it was putting out some serious metal tones. Loved it!
And Sat night was my first gig with the XTC Classic. It was great too... but much more a country and rock amp than a metal one. Since that was in all probability my last country/classic rock gig... I'm likely gonna put the Bogner up for sale and replace it with another amp that can hang with the Ultra Lead. I'm REALLY wanting a Diezel Herbert or VH4... or even the new Hagen... but it's VERY doubtful I'm gonna be able to afford one of those. So I'm also looking at Engls maybe a Mesa Mark V.
