50 watts or 100 watts?
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Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
I see... do those also come with similar crappy tubes and biased for use as a refridgerator?
I see... do those also come with similar crappy tubes and biased for use as a refridgerator?
Skullkrusher
The T-Files-ologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
I do have a 4x12 cab that is left over from my Blue Voodoo. It's got Vintage Celestion speakers in it. Think it would suit for now?
I do have a 4x12 cab that is left over from my Blue Voodoo. It's got Vintage Celestion speakers in it. Think it would suit for now?
jerryjg
PinkElephantologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
No you defintly do not want vintage Celestions. Send them to me and I will dispose of them for you and send you a nice minty set of G12-75's.
No you defintly do not want vintage Celestions. Send them to me and I will dispose of them for you and send you a nice minty set of G12-75's.
Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
If you already have a 4x12, I'd definately go with the head.
Combos just don't really cut it for the sound associated with Marshalls...
:banghead::eyecrazy:
If you already have a 4x12, I'd definately go with the head.
Combos just don't really cut it for the sound associated with Marshalls...
:banghead::eyecrazy:
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Wow...just, um...wow
Wow...just, um...wow
Laughing Kookaburra
Active member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
That would work well for now, at the least. You can play w/spkrs later, if not satisfied.
That would work well for now, at the least. You can play w/spkrs later, if not satisfied.
Skullkrusher
The T-Files-ologist
Lake Placid Blues
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Good ideas. I think you will find a 50 watter more than capable.
I like seperate heads and cabinets. You can plug the head into what ever speaker cabinet you need; 1x12, 2x12, 4x12, two 4x12's, 4x10...ect... A seperate head and a 1x12 or 2x12 cab are usually easier to move around than a 2x12 combo. 2x12 combos are like Buicks.
The chances of me jamming out in an arena any time soon are slim to none.
With that in mind, 50 watts may be the way to go. Besides, if I play anywhere significant in size, chances are the amp will be miced up anyway.
Now, I need to decide whether to go with the head or combo. If I go combo, I want 2x12.
Good ideas. I think you will find a 50 watter more than capable.
I like seperate heads and cabinets. You can plug the head into what ever speaker cabinet you need; 1x12, 2x12, 4x12, two 4x12's, 4x10...ect... A seperate head and a 1x12 or 2x12 cab are usually easier to move around than a 2x12 combo. 2x12 combos are like Buicks.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
I think he's getting frustrated with some of the BS going on in this thread.
Anyway, just to add my own to the pile. I think that 50w is about perfect for a rock guitarist who wants to get some level of grind and compression at a level that'll balance with a moderately loud drummer, yet still wants to be able to get a reasonably clean tone out of the amp.
I wouldn't suggest getting 100w unless you have a specific reason for wanting that much headroom.
I'd suggest getting a head/cab setup, but that's my own personal preference (I'd rather have a head/2x12 than a 2x12 combo).
I think he's getting frustrated with some of the BS going on in this thread.
Anyway, just to add my own to the pile. I think that 50w is about perfect for a rock guitarist who wants to get some level of grind and compression at a level that'll balance with a moderately loud drummer, yet still wants to be able to get a reasonably clean tone out of the amp.
I wouldn't suggest getting 100w unless you have a specific reason for wanting that much headroom.
I'd suggest getting a head/cab setup, but that's my own personal preference (I'd rather have a head/2x12 than a 2x12 combo).
GoldenVulture
Braindeadologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Because this is always his type answer when some one suggests going louder than 25 Watts[No offence intended G.W.I.F.],BUT the post is titled "50 or 100 Watts? ".not "what do you suggest, what wattage".
Lake Placid Blues
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
A 100 watt limits your options when it comes to speakers too. For example, if you want to use a 2x12 cab with a hundred watt head; your basically forced to use 75 watt speakers. A V30 and H30 mix (just as an example) is not really a feasable option, like it would be with a fifty watt.
A 100 watt limits your options when it comes to speakers too. For example, if you want to use a 2x12 cab with a hundred watt head; your basically forced to use 75 watt speakers. A V30 and H30 mix (just as an example) is not really a feasable option, like it would be with a fifty watt.
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Lewguitar
Guest
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
99% of the gigs I've played over the last forty years required nothing more than 25 watts.
And there was a time when I played really loud, playing Twin Reverbs on "10" because Mike Bloomfield did sometimes. That's why I'm almost deaf.
Unless you're playing metal in stadiums, 50 watts should be plenty.
For most clubs, 50 watts is to loud.
When it comes to rock players and gear lust, especially young rock players, there's so much fantasy involved. The truth is, you won't be able to open up a 100 watt amp on most gigs. Or a 50 watt amp.
The bartender or club owner will just tell you to turn down.
Simple as that.
99% of the gigs I've played over the last forty years required nothing more than 25 watts.
And there was a time when I played really loud, playing Twin Reverbs on "10" because Mike Bloomfield did sometimes. That's why I'm almost deaf.
Unless you're playing metal in stadiums, 50 watts should be plenty.
For most clubs, 50 watts is to loud.
When it comes to rock players and gear lust, especially young rock players, there's so much fantasy involved. The truth is, you won't be able to open up a 100 watt amp on most gigs. Or a 50 watt amp.
The bartender or club owner will just tell you to turn down.
Simple as that.
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Virtual Kevorkian
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
You post this kind of stuff all the time, but I still can't get away in a live situation with anything LESS than 50 watts.
Getting over a hard-hitting drummer, bassist with a decent rig, balancing with another guitarist, and retaining any kind of clean headroom requires more than 25W combos, unfortunately.
You post this kind of stuff all the time, but I still can't get away in a live situation with anything LESS than 50 watts.
Getting over a hard-hitting drummer, bassist with a decent rig, balancing with another guitarist, and retaining any kind of clean headroom requires more than 25W combos, unfortunately.
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Lewguitar
Guest
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Like I said, "50 watts should be plenty".
And if you crank it, 50 watts is plenty of watts to make yourself go deaf.
Tell me you needed 100 watts twenty years from now when YOU'RE deaf.
Because you will be.
Kids. You tell 'em not to smoke tobacco because in 30 or 40 years they'll be on oxygen dying of lung cancer. Do they listen? Nope.
Kids. You tell 'em not to overindulge in alcohol because in 30 or 40 years their liver will be hard as rock and they'll be dying from cirrhosis of the liver. Do they listen? Nope.
Kids. You tell 'em all they really need is a 25 watt or maybe a 40 watt amp and that if they consistently crank even that, in 30 or 40 years they'll still go deaf and be unable to hear what their wife is saying to them from across a small table in a slightly noisy restaurant. Do they listen? Nope.
So go ahead. Crank up that 100 watt amp...at home. When you actually take it out on a gig and try to turn it up, the bartender or club owner will tell you to turn it down - or tell you to leave.
Because they will. Simple as that.
Like I said, "50 watts should be plenty".
And if you crank it, 50 watts is plenty of watts to make yourself go deaf.
Tell me you needed 100 watts twenty years from now when YOU'RE deaf.
Because you will be.
Kids. You tell 'em not to smoke tobacco because in 30 or 40 years they'll be on oxygen dying of lung cancer. Do they listen? Nope.
Kids. You tell 'em not to overindulge in alcohol because in 30 or 40 years their liver will be hard as rock and they'll be dying from cirrhosis of the liver. Do they listen? Nope.
Kids. You tell 'em all they really need is a 25 watt or maybe a 40 watt amp and that if they consistently crank even that, in 30 or 40 years they'll still go deaf and be unable to hear what their wife is saying to them from across a small table in a slightly noisy restaurant. Do they listen? Nope.
So go ahead. Crank up that 100 watt amp...at home. When you actually take it out on a gig and try to turn it up, the bartender or club owner will tell you to turn it down - or tell you to leave.
Because they will. Simple as that.
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Skullkrusher
The T-Files-ologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
I will be using the amp for heavy music. I'm not looking to go deaf though.
I never realized how tough a decision this could be.
I will be using the amp for heavy music. I'm not looking to go deaf though.
I never realized how tough a decision this could be.
Rowan
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Earplugs are your friend, be they real ones or cigarette filters. When I gigged with my 5150II (120 watts) I could never go over 4 on the master without the sound tech telling me to turn down. And I know how it goes Kevorkian because my drummer plays loud as hell too. My 50 watt ENGL at 5 is just about as loud as the Peavey was at 3. The amp is opened up but still retains a good clean tone. 50 watts should be plenty unless, like others have mentioned, you need mucho headroom for cleans.
Earplugs are your friend, be they real ones or cigarette filters. When I gigged with my 5150II (120 watts) I could never go over 4 on the master without the sound tech telling me to turn down. And I know how it goes Kevorkian because my drummer plays loud as hell too. My 50 watt ENGL at 5 is just about as loud as the Peavey was at 3. The amp is opened up but still retains a good clean tone. 50 watts should be plenty unless, like others have mentioned, you need mucho headroom for cleans.
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Small amps are cool, but for some styles, they are not feasible. If you want fast attack with minimal compression and enough punch to kick out downtuned riffs without farting out, 25 watts won't cut it. Neither will it be enough for crystal clear cleans with a fast, punchy attack.
Small amps are cool, but for some styles, they are not feasible. If you want fast attack with minimal compression and enough punch to kick out downtuned riffs without farting out, 25 watts won't cut it. Neither will it be enough for crystal clear cleans with a fast, punchy attack.
joelap
Red&Goldologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
I have to roofle at these threads real hard sometimes. Because there's people who don't play in bars/clubs/etc where youd be told to turn down. How we used to do it around here is rent out a VFW or other social hall, then get a bunch of bands to play and bring a bunch of people and charge admission. Everyone is there to hear the band. Granted, this was during my high school days. Now, there are venues around here specifically for the music, which may happen to sell alcohol or in some cases not. You don't hear "little wing" at these places. You hear "f*cking hostile".
At the same time, I never leave home without earplugs, and I leave a pair permanently in my car most of the time. I know the dangers of playing loud or being somewhere where the music is loud.
"Do as I say, not as I did" is not a convincing argument
I challenge anyone with an 18watter to keep up with my Drummer.
I have to roofle at these threads real hard sometimes. Because there's people who don't play in bars/clubs/etc where youd be told to turn down. How we used to do it around here is rent out a VFW or other social hall, then get a bunch of bands to play and bring a bunch of people and charge admission. Everyone is there to hear the band. Granted, this was during my high school days. Now, there are venues around here specifically for the music, which may happen to sell alcohol or in some cases not. You don't hear "little wing" at these places. You hear "f*cking hostile".
At the same time, I never leave home without earplugs, and I leave a pair permanently in my car most of the time. I know the dangers of playing loud or being somewhere where the music is loud.
"Do as I say, not as I did" is not a convincing argument
I challenge anyone with an 18watter to keep up with my Drummer.
FretFire
SingedFingerologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
If I'm playing a venue with a PA, I'd accept that challenge, otherwise no.
There's more than just wattage to consider here when talking about an amp that is going to be played out. In my hometown, PA systems were non-existent unless the band brought their own, unfortunately. That meant that my 45 watt VHT had to be cranked up pretty loud to keep up with a drummer and a bass player with an 8x10 cab and powerful amp of his own, and sometimes it still didn't give me enough cut.
If I'm playing a venue with a PA, I'd accept that challenge, otherwise no.
There's more than just wattage to consider here when talking about an amp that is going to be played out. In my hometown, PA systems were non-existent unless the band brought their own, unfortunately. That meant that my 45 watt VHT had to be cranked up pretty loud to keep up with a drummer and a bass player with an 8x10 cab and powerful amp of his own, and sometimes it still didn't give me enough cut.
