Ascension
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Nope, was running 75's back in my late 80s to mid 90s hair band days in all my cabs with both 800's and 900's. .
A cab size discussion...
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Nope, was running 75's back in my late 80s to mid 90s hair band days in all my cabs with both 800's and 900's. .
Ascension
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Almost all Carvin cabs are birch plywood and are some of the most robust and best sounding cabs around. Have owned a number of them over the years.
Inflames626
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Makes me glad I have my G412T from 2000.
I thought maybe because the speakers were Carvin made they weren't as highly regarded as a real Celestion.
That said these are 100 watt speakers each.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Lots of guys use 15s, Page, Hendrix, and Dimebag. They are not too much different than 12s just much fuller.
Yep, that is the cab. That amp is my daily driver. I play the Classic 20 with the 1x15 more than any other amp I own.
El Dunco
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Funny story, my Dad being a carpenter and doing his research made a 2x10 bass cabinet out of beautiful woods at least an inch thick, gave each speaker its own partition. It sounded absolutely amazing loaded with Eminence deltas but weighed as much as a 4x10, maybe more.
El Dunco
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You are correct. Its rare for a guitar cabinet to have any kind of crossover. There are some exceptions. People have had absolutely horrible results using the first Randall Warhead through a regular 4x12. To make proper use of it, it really does need the matching fullstack that features a crossover to let more bass through the 2x15 which is absent in the top cabinet.
That full setup can actually sound absolutely fantastic in person. It’s possible to mic but you do have to blend both cabinets but it’s far from impossible. Having the entire range summed to one halfstack causes the muddiness people complain about. Obviously as well as getting rid of the digital effects, this is something that was addressed in the X2. It would have been nice for them to have an output designed to sound good into a regular 4x12 halfstack for people who just owned the head and were already happy with their cabinet because it’s bafflingly unusable (without so many tweaks it defeats the purpose) for anyone who doesn’t understand it was made with that fullstack with the 2x15 on the bottom in mind.
Inflames626
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I thought a 1x15" would be considered flabby for guitar--maybe like an 18" for bass.
I have a 2x15" Randall cab. The lower half of the old Warhead stack.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
A lot of people have misconceptions about speaker size. I have two 1x15 amps, and they both sound fantastic. The Celestion is very tight-sounding. The main reason guitar players do not use 15s is their size can rapidly increase the size of cabinets, making them bulky and difficult to move. 12s seem to be the sweet spot for size and power handling.
Rex_Rocker
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IME, 15" are more scoopy rather than flabby, but I've never tried a guitar-dedicated 15", and bass speakers tend to be more scooped anyways. But they're also really clean, mostly, so they're not "flabby" either.
The guy from Mastodon has a signature Friedman cab that has two 12" V30's or Greenbacks, don't remember, and two 15" Fullbacks.
I'm not sure if it's a rule of thumb, but if you extrapolate it to 10" speakers, I don't think 10" speakers are necessarily tighter. All of the 10" Celestions I've tried rather than being "tighter" are just narrower-sounding. Meaning less bass and less treble. And the treble they have is kinda small-combo-like. Like fizzy, raspy, and just overall ugly. I hate 10" speakers for high-gain. They have all just sounded toy-like to me.
The guy from Mastodon has a signature Friedman cab that has two 12" V30's or Greenbacks, don't remember, and two 15" Fullbacks.
I'm not sure if it's a rule of thumb, but if you extrapolate it to 10" speakers, I don't think 10" speakers are necessarily tighter. All of the 10" Celestions I've tried rather than being "tighter" are just narrower-sounding. Meaning less bass and less treble. And the treble they have is kinda small-combo-like. Like fizzy, raspy, and just overall ugly. I hate 10" speakers for high-gain. They have all just sounded toy-like to me.
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
I think that most of the problem is most people who have played 15s tried them in a bass amp. Which can sound great depending on the application. Burt 15s designed for guitar and especially the more modern speakers sound very much like their 12-inch counterparts. Just more fullness and thump.
If I could find a Randall Warhead B cab I would grab it in a second
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Rex_Rocker
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It'd be interesting to hear how those record. I don't think Dime ever used them in the studio, did he?
Inflames626
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I think that most of the problem is most people who have played 15s tried them in a bass amp. Which can sound great depending on the application. Burt 15s designed for guitar and especially the more modern speakers sound very much like their 12-inch counterparts. Just more fullness and thump.
If I could find a Randall Warhead B cab I would grab it in a second
That is what I have, but with a silver face and much more beat up.
Inflames626
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Not to my knowledge. I think the 2x15 was used for more live fullness from a one guitar band. I've also heard most people say the Warhead v1 had crappy built in fx. I barely saw any of the V2s with the green logo. The only guy I saw use the Warhead V2 was the shady guitar teacher Tom Hess.
Fairly sure Dime scrammed to Krank just after the V2 Warhead was introduced.
Inflames626
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I like my 2x10 1x15 Carvin R1000 combo. I like the 15 for giving more low end. The 8x10 Ampeg style stuff I see seems to be more for clank bass, especially ones with aluminum cones, but I stand to be corrected by people who have more experience than I do.
Also, I had a buddy at GIT who played a Parker Nitefly (one of the high end 90s ones with DiMarzios). He would split his rig into high and low cabs with a crossover because he was in a one guitar hardcore/groove band.
Can anyone suggest to me a crossover that could be used with guitar cabs? I'm not sure how he did it.
Also, I had a buddy at GIT who played a Parker Nitefly (one of the high end 90s ones with DiMarzios). He would split his rig into high and low cabs with a crossover because he was in a one guitar hardcore/groove band.
Can anyone suggest to me a crossover that could be used with guitar cabs? I'm not sure how he did it.
Inflames626
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Isn't that Jim Lille? He seems to make good content. A lot of work goes into his stuff. He turned me off tonewood as a *decisive factor by itself* for guitar tone.
Rex_Rocker
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Oh, the 8x10 Ampeg can do a lot of things. Many reggae players use those, so it's not just a clanky rock bass amp. The tweeter is also defeatable on the newer ones. I actually think the tweeter thing is more of a clean or slap bass thing. It sounds like shit once you start throwing some overdrive in there.
I also like blending in a 4x12 for some midrange snarl on recorded bass tones. You gotta try it. The cabs Hendrix used in the 70's were actually supposed to be bass cabs, AFAIK.
Inflames626
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I seem to remember the Marshall VBA bass amps as being a bit guitar-ish?
Rex_Rocker
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Never tried those. They did have a 4x12 in that series.
Inflames626
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I thought they were based around an overdriven Lemmy sound and were a pretty straight forward, bare bones tube head.
I rarely hear of 12"s used for bass.
https://marshall.com/amps/products/archive/vba/vba400
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