acoustic pickup that sounds like Nirvana

lex666

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Hey guys,

I just got my Martin acoustic the other day, and I'm looking for a good pick up I can install without doing any mods to my guitar. Does anyone know what effects or pickup Kurt Cobain used for his Unplugged album? Thats the sound I'm trying to get when "plugged in".

Thanks,
 
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rumor has it that he had a very nice acoustic given to him to use for the performance. this thing had stellar tone. he decided to run it through several effects which messed up the tone bad. what you hear is the result. still a great tone though. for the electric part on the man who sold the world, he is actually using the electric pickup that he had installed on that particular guitar (i'm not sure if it was the same guitar as the rest of the performance).
 
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You can get a mounting ring for a standard strat single coil and get that sound easy.

Snowdog
 
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That was a Bartolini acoustic sound hole pickup and IT WAS plugged in...into a Sansamp, into a DS-1, into a small clone, and into a Poly Chorus and the into a Fender Twin!
 
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I remember it being a standard covered 'bucker. The guitar had volume and tone knobs on it as well.
 
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here ya go guys...i know nothing about it but i found pics for ya...it almost looks like it has 2 P-90 like pickups in it to me along with the mentioned volume/tone controlls and a 3 way toggle...

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hope that helps a bit...

-Mike
 
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The Guitar he used for that entire album/perormance was a Martin d-28e (e standing for electric). The Martin d-28e was manufactured from 1958-1964. They were loaded with either one or two DeArmond pickups (like those found on lower end gretches around the same time). They always had a Volume and tone control for each pickup on the guitar. Two volumes and Two tones on the Two pickup model (like Kurt Used).
These "Electric" guitars were Pretty much just standard Martin acoustics loaded with Electronics (i.e. Pickups). And other than the D-28e, there was also an Electric version of the 00-18, and the D-18. All were Identical to the Acoustic version, Cept they had pickups.
These guitars weren't Intended as "acoustic electrics" But just as Fully hollow electrics. Meant to compete with Fully hollow gretches (white falcon etc..) and Fully hollow Gibsons (Byrdland) of the same time. So while this was technically an "unplugged" performance, He was truthfully just playing an electric guitar that happened to look like an acousitc. No different from playing a super400 Really.
The D-18e was discontinued the same year it appeared (1958) and the D-28e, and 00-18e were discontinued 6 years later (1964). None of the models were ever popular (hence the disconinuation, and most peoples lack of knowledge of they're existance). But they can normally be pickuped Fairly cheap if you can find them.

So Pretty much the only way to get that Exact same sound as kurt is to Either find a D-28e, or Find a similar acousitc and Load it with two DeArmond single coil pickups and the same electrionics (three way toggle, two volume, two tone).

Hope this helps clear up all the "confusion" over the type of guitar he used........Ed
 
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thanks for the info... i found a pic of a d-28e...his seems to only have 3 knobs though...odd...

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-Mike
 
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OK...first Kurts guitar was a D-18E...not a D-28E. Second it is prett well know that he did NOT use the DeArmond pickups that were built in but he put a 3rd pickup in the sound hole...it was a Bartolini (I belive that the model is AV-3...but I could be wrong)...he used that pickup formthe entire show...NOT the DeArmonds.
 
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in fact...look in the first pic Mike posted...it is under the neck pickup...it's b;ack and has a clear mount so it is hard to see but it IS there...the B&W pic is before UNPlugged and the Bartolini is not there yet.
 
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Thats an interesting, and yet bizarre guitar. If I ever saw someone perform with one of those, I wouldn't say, "Hey, thats an interesting, old Martin." I'd say, "My God . . . I can't believe that moron butchered a Martin like that." :laugh2:

Nice to know the real scoop on that. ;)
 
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Thanks guys.

I don't think I'm ready to put screws into the top of my martin just to get Kurt's sound. Can his tone still be achived using an acoustic pup and running it through a disrtion and chorus? Or am I pretty much stuck needing a pup from an electric? I don't want to risk ruining the top on my martin...
 
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Recording of 'Unplugged'

The acoustic guitar Kurt used on "Unplugged" ("Unplugged 21")(and his main acoustic guitar around this time) was his late 50's Martin D-18E (57, etc).
Although the standard procedure for "Unplugged" is for acoustics to run direct, Kurt insisted on putting his Martin through his Fender Twin Reverb amp; but it was only used as a monitor! To keep the amp as clean as possible, the 7025 preamp tubes (59) were replaced with 12AX7's and the 12AT7 phase inverter was replaced with a 12AU7. Alex Coletti ("Unplugged" producer) made a box out in front of the amp to make it look like a monitor (32)(57). Again, Earnie believes this amp was used ONLY as a monitor, as the guitar on the album sounds to him as if it's coming off of the D.I. box. He can't be sure, though (59).

Along with the Twin Reverb, the DS-2 distortion pedal and E-H Small Clone chorus were also used (seen 21)(57). The Echoflanger and Polychorus were also brought to the rehearsal but they weren't used because they created too much 60-cycle hum (57).

Kurt used Finger-ease on the fretboard of the Martin to smooth out the solo to "About A Girl." "You know that goofy-ass stuff? It's like anal gel" said Kurt, who knew to use the roll-on as opposed to the spray. He said that he had never used fretboard lubricant before but that his "country and western aunt" used to (32).

http://www.kurtsequipment.com/recordingpage.htm#unplugged

7). Martin D-18E acoustic, also see "Recording of 'Unplugged'" section. Late 1950's, serial # 166854 (59), bought at Voltage Guitar in Los Angeles in the fall of 1993. The D-18E was one of Martin's earliest stab at electric guitars. Only 302 were made before it was discontinued in 1959. It is basically a D-18 acoustic but with two pickups, three control knobs (one volume and two tone), and a selector switch. Kurt probably didn't have any idea how rare the guitar was when he bought it, according to Earnie Bailey. Voltage recut the existing nut so a left-handed Kurt could play it, although out of intonation, probably due to Kurt "needing it yesterday." "I cut the new nut, and John Saba (longtime friend and Seattle area repairman who specializes in tricky acoustic bridge work and neck resets) filled in the bridge and routed the new slot for the bone piece. Kurt liked the work and sent me the Epiphone (Nixon Now) for the same treatment, but John replaced the entire bridge for that I believe. John now works for Dusty Strings, a high end acoustic & bluegrass shop in Seattle"(57). The D-18E didn't sound very good, so in addition to the instrument's DeArmond pickups (which were designed to be used in conjunction with nickel strings and sounded poor with bronze-wound), a Bartolini 3AV pickup was added to the top. Kurt was interested in the pickup because of its use by Peter Buck (21)(29)(32)(57).

http://www.kurtsequipment.com/guitarspage.htm#acoustic
 
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Look for a magnetic pickup that clips into the sound hole. Several vendors make them. That's probably a better start than the typical piezo pickup found on acoustics, and easily reversible if it doesn't work out.

I'm relieved to hear you're not going to hack pickups into the top of a new Martin. :)
 
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screamingdaisy said:
Recording of 'Unplugged'

The acoustic guitar Kurt used on "Unplugged" ("Unplugged 21")(and his main acoustic guitar around this time) was his late 50's Martin D-18E (57, etc).
Although the standard procedure for "Unplugged" is for acoustics to run direct, Kurt insisted on putting his Martin through his Fender Twin Reverb amp; but it was only used as a monitor! To keep the amp as clean as possible, the 7025 preamp tubes (59) were replaced with 12AX7's and the 12AT7 phase inverter was replaced with a 12AU7. Alex Coletti ("Unplugged" producer) made a box out in front of the amp to make it look like a monitor (32)(57). Again, Earnie believes this amp was used ONLY as a monitor, as the guitar on the album sounds to him as if it's coming off of the D.I. box. He can't be sure, though (59).

Along with the Twin Reverb, the DS-2 distortion pedal and E-H Small Clone chorus were also used (seen 21)(57). The Echoflanger and Polychorus were also brought to the rehearsal but they weren't used because they created too much 60-cycle hum (57).

Kurt used Finger-ease on the fretboard of the Martin to smooth out the solo to "About A Girl." "You know that goofy-ass stuff? It's like anal gel" said Kurt, who knew to use the roll-on as opposed to the spray. He said that he had never used fretboard lubricant before but that his "country and western aunt" used to (32).

http://www.kurtsequipment.com/recordingpage.htm#unplugged

7). Martin D-18E acoustic, also see "Recording of 'Unplugged'" section. Late 1950's, serial # 166854 (59), bought at Voltage Guitar in Los Angeles in the fall of 1993. The D-18E was one of Martin's earliest stab at electric guitars. Only 302 were made before it was discontinued in 1959. It is basically a D-18 acoustic but with two pickups, three control knobs (one volume and two tone), and a selector switch. Kurt probably didn't have any idea how rare the guitar was when he bought it, according to Earnie Bailey. Voltage recut the existing nut so a left-handed Kurt could play it, although out of intonation, probably due to Kurt "needing it yesterday." "I cut the new nut, and John Saba (longtime friend and Seattle area repairman who specializes in tricky acoustic bridge work and neck resets) filled in the bridge and routed the new slot for the bone piece. Kurt liked the work and sent me the Epiphone (Nixon Now) for the same treatment, but John replaced the entire bridge for that I believe. John now works for Dusty Strings, a high end acoustic & bluegrass shop in Seattle"(57). The D-18E didn't sound very good, so in addition to the instrument's DeArmond pickups (which were designed to be used in conjunction with nickel strings and sounded poor with bronze-wound), a Bartolini 3AV pickup was added to the top. Kurt was interested in the pickup because of its use by Peter Buck (21)(29)(32)(57).

http://www.kurtsequipment.com/guitarspage.htm#acoustic

Wow, thats some really great info, Thanks!

Look for a magnetic pickup that clips into the sound hole. Several vendors make them. That's probably a better start than the typical piezo pickup found on acoustics, and easily reversible if it doesn't work out.

I'm relieved to hear you're not going to hack pickups into the top of a new Martin.
Today 07:07 AM

Magnetic pick up, huh? I'll give that a try. Does SD make one? Which one is recommended? thanks for all the help...
 
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lex666 said:
Magnetic pick up, huh? I'll give that a try. Does SD make one? Which one is recommended? thanks for all the help...

Sure, they do...several. Just look under Products, Acoustic on the main page. As far as recommendations go, I'll have to leave that to others...
 
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The SA-3 Woody series offers great-sounding magnetic sound-hole pickups at three price points. The SA-3 Woody SC single coil is probably closest to the DeArmonds and very inexpensive and easy to find.

Also, the SA-1 Acoustic Tube is very popular and excellent sounding -- a little warmer than the Woodys and with a volume knob. Each of these would come close to the Kurt tone -- at least as close as you could get without getting the same guitar or taking the Dremel tool to the top of your Martin.

IMO, the best soundhole pickup -- period -- is the SA-6 Mag Mic. But it's going to sound much more natural than the pickups Kurt used. And if you're not going for a pure acoustic sound, it might be overkill for you.

My recommendation: the SA-3 Woody SC.
 
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Evan Skopp said:
The SA-3 Woody series offers great-sounding magnetic sound-hole pickups at three price points. The SA-3 Woody SC single coil is probably closest to the DeArmonds and very inexpensive and easy to find.

Also, the SA-1 Acoustic Tube is very popular and excellent sounding -- a little warmer than the Woodys and with a volume knob. Each of these would come close to the Kurt tone -- at least as close as you could get without getting the same guitar or taking the Dremel tool to the top of your Martin.

IMO, the best soundhole pickup -- period -- is the SA-6 Mag Mic. But it's going to sound much more natural than the pickups Kurt used. And if you're not going for a pure acoustic sound, it might be overkill for you.

My recommendation: the SA-3 Woody SC.

Thanks for the advice, Evan. I'll give the Woody SC a try. I've always had good luck with SD pick ups. Keep up the great work, forum, and support!
 
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Dean Markley makes a transducer, and it sticks beneath the strings beside the bridge. And they're only like $40.00, so it's actually a bargain, though I've heard the cords are really fragile.
 
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