Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

And the sun is green in the morning!

:laugh2: Did I hear something from the peanut gallery?!! :laugh2:

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Furthermore, if you are gigging, you should have a backup guitar anyway...regardless of whether I was playing a Les Paul or a Superstrat w/ Floyd I'd always reach for the backup as soon as I broke a string.

Or 2, depending on how destructive you are.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Hehe yeah, mostly because I never had much troubles with my Floyds, it is just another trem, on the other hand Jaguars and Jazzmaster...gargh those are terrible units to make work good
But it can be done.

 

[GAWA]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

All right thanks a lot for all your help. I think my friend has a Floyd equipped guitar so I'll try that out to see it I like it. If I do then I suppose I'll just have to live with the difficulties of going out of tune if you break a string and restringing the guitar. Thanks guys!

 

[The New Guy]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

If you're going to have a trem-equiped guitar, then get an original Floyd, the sustain and tone issues wont be big enough to notice, I have a guitar with one on it and love the guitar although all future guitars will be some sort of fixed bridge....if you're REALLY going to use a trem get one...if you think you'll only use it once in a while it's not worth the hassle IMO.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

OFR, the Schaller if you like warmer sounds, Ibanez Edge, Gotoh Floyd, those are tried and tested, there is probally a few more that works well, but Do not have enough experience with those

 

[Usurper666]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

I’m about to install an OFR in my 1987 Charvel Model 2, which came with Jackson’s JT-6 Floyd, the WORST Floyd Rose copy EVER made!! One thing to consider is the saddles. As someone else mentioned, you can’t adjust their hight, so it’s set at a 7 degree radius. So, if you have a fairly flat fret board it won’t match the radius of the Floyd and your middle strings will be higher off the neck than the E strings. One solution is to have shims placed under the saddles to get the radius of the Floyd to match your neck. So, it can be fixed but like anything else with a Floyd, it’s a royal pain in the ass.

Cheers,

CJ

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

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[Zerberus]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

OFR, the Schaller if you like warmer sounds, Ibanez Edge, Gotoh Floyd, those are tried and tested, there is probally a few more that works well, but Do not have enough experience with those

No, that´s about all of the good ones....unless you can find an old Kahler Killer, Spyder or Steeler

One of the things that´s starting to annoy me is that every time we have a Floyd thread, people also start posting disadvantages inherent to ANY trem system as if they were Floyd-specific........Things like double stops going out of tune, or tuning being more of a hassle...

A floating V-trem or Wilkinson and a floating Floyd take just as long to tune, only difference is about 1 minute + on the Floyd for locking the nut and using the Finetuners. And you have the problem with double-stop bends on ANY floating trem, even a Bigsby, it´s just most noticable on a Floyd because it´s the most sensitive system....

....or that Sustain is reduced: I´ve BUILT a guitar as a hardtail, and converted it to a Floyd, and it had a bit more sustain afterwards...explain that please, and NOT with 2 different guitars, because as soon as it´s a different guitar the comparison is tainted (different pieces of wood), so anyone without experience before and after a Hardtail / Floyd conversion need not rebut....Certainly it will not always be that way, but properly installed and set up, a good Floyd DOES NOT rob sustain...It does brighten the tone a bit, however, no contra from me on that...

Not adjusting action: for the hundred millionth time on this Forum alone, that´s what shims are for, and knowing how to use them is an integral part of knowing how to set up a Floyd...IMO this argument is BS, and proof of someone not knowing what they´re doing.

Intonation:this is a pain on an OFR, yes.... I don´t know about you guys, but I set my intonation ONCE and leave it that way, checking quick when changing strings....but the way some here talk setting the intonation constantly seems to be more important than actually playing

 

[MikeRocker]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

And you have the problem with double-stop bends on ANY floating trem, even a Bigsby, it´s just most noticable on a Floyd because it´s the most sensitive system....

I have to disagree here. I've got 2 Bigsby guitars (well, a Bigsby-equipped Gretsch and an Ibanez Artcore with a Bigsby-style vibrato [amazing guitar for the $$$, by the way]). Double-stop bends aren't a problem on Bigsby guitars, they just seem to resist the "sag". I'm pretty sensitive to "out-of-tuneness", and any double-stop bend sag that they might have is insignificant, and nothing compared to a floating Floyd.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Bigsby's...are they even working??
On the Floyd I just keep my palm on the bar and it never ever goes up.
Floating or not, it is just a matter of technique.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

I have to disagree here. I've got 2 Bigsby guitars (well, a Bigsby-equipped Gretsch and an Ibanez Artcore with a Bigsby-style vibrato [amazing guitar for the $$$, by the way]). Double-stop bends aren't a problem on Bigsby guitars, they just seem to resist the "sag". I'm pretty sensitive to "out-of-tuneness", and any double-stop bend sag that they might have is insignificant, and nothing compared to a floating Floyd.

Hook it up to a good tuner (not one of theose analog needle doohickies), do a double stop bend, and take a look at the display, it´s more than you think

I see your point, they resist better, if you look at my post I even indirectly stated that myself... Doesn´t change that fact that it is so, though

 

[ranalli]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

I have to disagree here. I've got 2 Bigsby guitars (well, a Bigsby-equipped Gretsch and an Ibanez Artcore with a Bigsby-style vibrato [amazing guitar for the $$$, by the way]). Double-stop bends aren't a problem on Bigsby guitars, they just seem to resist the "sag". I'm pretty sensitive to "out-of-tuneness", and any double-stop bend sag that they might have is insignificant, and nothing compared to a floating Floyd.

Truth be told though you get about half the useable effect with a Bigsby though......personally I would never put one of those boat-anchors on my guitar. Worst trem ever.....

 

[MikeRocker]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Truth be told though you get about half the useable effect with a Bigsby though......personally I would never put one of those boat-anchors on my guitar. Worst trem ever.....

If you mean the pitch range is not as wide with a Bigsby as it is with a Floyd Rose, you are correct. Worst trem (sic) ever? You're dead wrong. For those of us not into playing heavy metal or doing 80's style screams and dive-bombs, the Bigsby is a very stable, usable, musical device. Everyone is entitled to their personal preference, but I'll take a Bigsby over a Floyd Rose every time. I'll also put the tone of my Bigsby guitar up against that of a floating Floyd guitar any day of the week.

 

[nuntius]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Block them, block them all.

 

[ranalli]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

If you mean the pitch range is not as wide with a Bigsby as it is with a Floyd Rose, you are correct. Worst trem (sic) ever? You're dead wrong. For those of us not into playing heavy metal or doing 80's style screams and dive-bombs, the Bigsby is a very stable, usable, musical device. Everyone is entitled to their personal preference, but I'll take a Bigsby over a Floyd Rose every time. I'll also put the tone of my Bigsby guitar up against that of a floating Floyd guitar any day of the week.

For the tones that I use, your guitar probably wouldn't work for me...hence the reason why I don't have a Bigsby nor do I ever want one...if I'm going to get a trem it's most likely going to be locking....zero tuning issues.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Block them, block them all.

Quiet, you, or I'll trade out all your GSGs for Daisy Rock!!

 

[orbiter]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Not adjusting action: for the hundred millionth time on this Forum alone, that´s what shims are for, and knowing how to use them is an integral part of knowing how to set up a Floyd...IMO this argument is BS, and proof of someone not knowing what they´re doing.

yep ... thanks Z!

little pieces of beer cans work wonders for this...

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

yep ... thanks Z!

little pieces of beer cans work wonders for this...

...Or aluminum foil
..or copper shielding tape...

or a thousand other things in a pinch.

Oh, and there´s also the option of grinding the high ones instead of shimming the low ones


Or do you guys really think that a Floyd Rose somehow magically sets itself to radiuses between 20" and 10" when it comes as factory equipment? :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[ranalli]

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of a Floyd Rose trem?

Or do you guys really think that a Floyd Rose somehow magically sets itself to radiuses between 20" and 10" when it comes as factory equipment? :laugh2: :laugh2:

It's funny, most people that bash the FRs have no idea how to properly setup or use them.


Or...they write them off as only useable if you live in the years 81-89....LOL.