IanBallard
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
I did an open jam recently and this cat came on stage with a bolt-on Epi.. but he was a middle-aged black dude who clearly had it together. He played his ass off and I had tears streaming down my eyes by the end of "Stormy Monday" or whateverthehell it was. This guy WAS the blues. I don't wanna hear the gear-snobs going on about "saving up" blah, blah, blah. Play yer damn guitar and do with emotion.
I did an open jam recently and this cat came on stage with a bolt-on Epi.. but he was a middle-aged black dude who clearly had it together. He played his ass off and I had tears streaming down my eyes by the end of "Stormy Monday" or whateverthehell it was. This guy WAS the blues. I don't wanna hear the gear-snobs going on about "saving up" blah, blah, blah. Play yer damn guitar and do with emotion.
MetalManiac
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
I disagree. I mean, not fundamentally..for that black dude and the blues, It may have been just ducky.
For me, I's need one of my guitars set up with razor blade precision with 12" radius, Jumbo frets, flat relief and slinky strings. Your blues guy wouldnt have a clue to do what i do with his cheap guitar.
I'll go further and say for me, that i need the tone response feedback of premium sound that only top quality parts ( wood, pickups, hardware, etc.) can give back .
Look at it this way..I may be a formulae 1 Gran Prix racer, but I'm not going to get the most out of my performance without the right tires, that give me the feel of the track..
I disagree. I mean, not fundamentally..for that black dude and the blues, It may have been just ducky.
For me, I's need one of my guitars set up with razor blade precision with 12" radius, Jumbo frets, flat relief and slinky strings. Your blues guy wouldnt have a clue to do what i do with his cheap guitar.
I'll go further and say for me, that i need the tone response feedback of premium sound that only top quality parts ( wood, pickups, hardware, etc.) can give back .
Look at it this way..I may be a formulae 1 Gran Prix racer, but I'm not going to get the most out of my performance without the right tires, that give me the feel of the track..
IanBallard
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Whatever. Play your guitar.
Whatever. Play your guitar.
MetalManiac
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Not even! I'm way to busy arguing the finer points of tone!
Not even! I'm way to busy arguing the finer points of tone!
Edgecrusher
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
You seem to have this idea you dont implicitly say it but youve hinted hard at it that you think your a better player than someone who has a nice guitar cause you've "learned the hard way" by playing your junk parts-o-caster. News flash brah playing a junk guitar isnt suffering for your art.
Emotion and feeling have nothing to do with whats in your hands. You really think if you handed that guy a nice piece all of a sudden his mojo would disappear?
My earlier comment was actually curiosity in what I thought was the OP's best interest. The guy is always here saying hes strapped for cash so I was curious why he would want to make a sideways move.
If owning a pile of 200 dollar agiles makes him happy I say go for it. Having nice things isnt a sin.
Really the hate twords people with nice guitars is starting to look suspiciously like jealously.
You seem to have this idea you dont implicitly say it but youve hinted hard at it that you think your a better player than someone who has a nice guitar cause you've "learned the hard way" by playing your junk parts-o-caster. News flash brah playing a junk guitar isnt suffering for your art.
Emotion and feeling have nothing to do with whats in your hands. You really think if you handed that guy a nice piece all of a sudden his mojo would disappear?
My earlier comment was actually curiosity in what I thought was the OP's best interest. The guy is always here saying hes strapped for cash so I was curious why he would want to make a sideways move.
If owning a pile of 200 dollar agiles makes him happy I say go for it. Having nice things isnt a sin.
Really the hate twords people with nice guitars is starting to look suspiciously like jealously.
ehdwuld
A Ficus
Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
it really isnt the instrument it is the player
John Lee Hooker said
"give me ten mins on a piano and I start sounding like John Lee
same with any other musician, its the man and what he's got to say"
use what ever instrument you have
and create your voice
if you need 10 grand to find your voice
great
if you can find it with a pawn shop prize
same thing
nobody argues Jack White has crappy guitars
it really isnt the instrument it is the player
John Lee Hooker said
"give me ten mins on a piano and I start sounding like John Lee
same with any other musician, its the man and what he's got to say"
use what ever instrument you have
and create your voice
if you need 10 grand to find your voice
great
if you can find it with a pawn shop prize
same thing
nobody argues Jack White has crappy guitars
IanBallard
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Hilarious. Nope. Not jealous. I don't like Les Pauls. I don't want one. I. Will. Never. Buy. One. Ever. Not even an Agile "Les Paul". There are some Agile models I like but they are fairly unique. If I won the Powerball tomorrow, the LAST guitar I would even think about buying would be a Les Paul. On that note, I have over $8000 worth of vintage and modern Zildjian cymbals. Yes, I collect them but I also play gigs, work in studios occasionally and teach. I also don't go on drum forums and say, "Dude, you need to ditch those beginner sheet brass cymbals and get REAL ones". That's just lame.
I've been playing professionally for nearly 20 years and have been in bands with some badass mofos, opened up for some heavy-hitting REAL touring acts and spend a few years of my life in a van touring the USA and Canada in real bands, playing real shows and getting paid to do it. I have seen, heard and played the best of the best amps, guitars and listened to hour upon hour of guitar-shop-talk. To say I'm jealous of some dudes on a guitar forum? Wow. Just... wow.
The point here is that if you were to step back and read these things from the perspective of a non-guitarist who has performed professionally for many years, I think the folks defending the interests of the guy who wants to save money and buy a budget guitar have the upper-hand. The folks who continue to troll these threads with their indignant rambling about "real" gear look kinda ridiculous. Nobody is jealous nor do they care about you maxing our your credit cards or saving all your pennies. Nobody. Cares. The guy I jammed with, playing the bolt-on Epi would outplay almost any one of you guys in that particular idiom of blues. Any. Day. Of. The. Week. Come on down to "The W" on the last Sunday of the month and let's see what you got. I'll be more than happy to lay down a fat shuffle underneath your awesome expensive guitar.
Hilarious. Nope. Not jealous. I don't like Les Pauls. I don't want one. I. Will. Never. Buy. One. Ever. Not even an Agile "Les Paul". There are some Agile models I like but they are fairly unique. If I won the Powerball tomorrow, the LAST guitar I would even think about buying would be a Les Paul. On that note, I have over $8000 worth of vintage and modern Zildjian cymbals. Yes, I collect them but I also play gigs, work in studios occasionally and teach. I also don't go on drum forums and say, "Dude, you need to ditch those beginner sheet brass cymbals and get REAL ones". That's just lame.
I've been playing professionally for nearly 20 years and have been in bands with some badass mofos, opened up for some heavy-hitting REAL touring acts and spend a few years of my life in a van touring the USA and Canada in real bands, playing real shows and getting paid to do it. I have seen, heard and played the best of the best amps, guitars and listened to hour upon hour of guitar-shop-talk. To say I'm jealous of some dudes on a guitar forum? Wow. Just... wow.
The point here is that if you were to step back and read these things from the perspective of a non-guitarist who has performed professionally for many years, I think the folks defending the interests of the guy who wants to save money and buy a budget guitar have the upper-hand. The folks who continue to troll these threads with their indignant rambling about "real" gear look kinda ridiculous. Nobody is jealous nor do they care about you maxing our your credit cards or saving all your pennies. Nobody. Cares. The guy I jammed with, playing the bolt-on Epi would outplay almost any one of you guys in that particular idiom of blues. Any. Day. Of. The. Week. Come on down to "The W" on the last Sunday of the month and let's see what you got. I'll be more than happy to lay down a fat shuffle underneath your awesome expensive guitar.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Wow dude thanks for giving me your bio. You act like I was questioning you or your abilities.
Its all good I get it you hate les pauls you hate expensive guitars and you have a thing thing for cymbals.
The OP has made numerous posts asking if x or y guitar or amp is any good and has always stated hes low on cash. Please explain to me how its a good idea for someone who is strapped for cash to be stocking up on low end guitars? Sure you dont tell someone to ditch their beginner cymbals but im also betting you dont tell them to run out and buy a half dozen first act sets.
If the guy wants to own a bunch of low line guitars thats his perogitive and im cool with that.
What im not so keen on is your playing champion to his cause all for this seeming crusade against people who like to have nice things.
One thing ive noticed on this forum is if someone says hey i only have so much money or thats the one I want people are generally pretty cool about it. Its the people that come to their defense that try to keep justify their decisions that make things go awry. Nothing more needs to be justified than thats what they want to purchase or thats what they can afford.
You cannot tell me that this doesnt stink like a continuation of the other agile thread that was recently closed.
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Wow dude thanks for giving me your bio. You act like I was questioning you or your abilities.
Its all good I get it you hate les pauls you hate expensive guitars and you have a thing thing for cymbals.
The OP has made numerous posts asking if x or y guitar or amp is any good and has always stated hes low on cash. Please explain to me how its a good idea for someone who is strapped for cash to be stocking up on low end guitars? Sure you dont tell someone to ditch their beginner cymbals but im also betting you dont tell them to run out and buy a half dozen first act sets.
If the guy wants to own a bunch of low line guitars thats his perogitive and im cool with that.
What im not so keen on is your playing champion to his cause all for this seeming crusade against people who like to have nice things.
One thing ive noticed on this forum is if someone says hey i only have so much money or thats the one I want people are generally pretty cool about it. Its the people that come to their defense that try to keep justify their decisions that make things go awry. Nothing more needs to be justified than thats what they want to purchase or thats what they can afford.
You cannot tell me that this doesnt stink like a continuation of the other agile thread that was recently closed.
IanBallard
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
I LOVE expensive musical gear. What I love even more, is a person squeezing every ounce of their soul into whatever gear they can afford. What I hate, is elitism. I'd much rather buy a Suhr or Charvel Custom Shop, than a Gibson anyway.
I LOVE expensive musical gear. What I love even more, is a person squeezing every ounce of their soul into whatever gear they can afford. What I hate, is elitism. I'd much rather buy a Suhr or Charvel Custom Shop, than a Gibson anyway.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Well cool! Now explain to me how any of that has to do with the OP in this thread? Please explain to me the relevancy of your personal ideals to the OP? Noone was questioning his "soul"
Heck I didnt even see any elitism that you speak of. I saw a bunch of people discussing other models they would like or offering suggestions on what other models might be good. Noone was denegrating the OP.
As ive said before I was curious why he wanted to make a sideways move. Now explain to me the elitism in that? How is suggesting to save for a nicer guitar being elitist?
To the OP im sorry for the hijack of your thread. I was merely offering a point of view and a suggestion. I get the feeling this thread has been used as an outlet to further the Agile thread that got locked.
Well cool! Now explain to me how any of that has to do with the OP in this thread? Please explain to me the relevancy of your personal ideals to the OP? Noone was questioning his "soul"
Heck I didnt even see any elitism that you speak of. I saw a bunch of people discussing other models they would like or offering suggestions on what other models might be good. Noone was denegrating the OP.
As ive said before I was curious why he wanted to make a sideways move. Now explain to me the elitism in that? How is suggesting to save for a nicer guitar being elitist?
To the OP im sorry for the hijack of your thread. I was merely offering a point of view and a suggestion. I get the feeling this thread has been used as an outlet to further the Agile thread that got locked.
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malymal86
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Wow I buy guitars because they make me happy its as simple as that. And I've had great guitars in my life don't act like you know me and what I do and have done in my life. Times are hard here in az and that's why I say hey I can't get a Gibson at this point in my life, but I know that someday I will have room fulls of nice high end guitars.....
Wow I buy guitars because they make me happy its as simple as that. And I've had great guitars in my life don't act like you know me and what I do and have done in my life. Times are hard here in az and that's why I say hey I can't get a Gibson at this point in my life, but I know that someday I will have room fulls of nice high end guitars.....
jcthejester13
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
It's all in the hands...
You can argue wood types, string height, softtail/ hardtail, brand name/ off brand, pickups, and all that jazz all day long but at the end of the day a talented player will make shoebox with a balsa wood plank and strings sound good.
You can buy a lower-mid level guitar for $400 and do $200 dollars worth of work to it and get it to play like a $1200 name brand guitar if you really want to though. Will the cap on it be as thick? No, but does that really matter if it is going to be a player guitar?
It's all in the hands...
You can argue wood types, string height, softtail/ hardtail, brand name/ off brand, pickups, and all that jazz all day long but at the end of the day a talented player will make shoebox with a balsa wood plank and strings sound good.
You can buy a lower-mid level guitar for $400 and do $200 dollars worth of work to it and get it to play like a $1200 name brand guitar if you really want to though. Will the cap on it be as thick? No, but does that really matter if it is going to be a player guitar?
IanBallard
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
But duuuuude, it's all about the RESALE VALUE! I mean, why should you connect spiritually to an instrument or modify it to your taste, when you might have to resell it? Don't you care about PROFIT? Besides, don't you want to impress forum dudez?
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Seriously though, you are correct. Musicians all have different motives. Some are addicted to new and better instruments, so they choose to flip them all the time. Some are content with one guitar and choose to modify it over time (like myself). Some save up for months for a particular instrument. All of these are fine. Gotta go... time to practice.
But duuuuude, it's all about the RESALE VALUE! I mean, why should you connect spiritually to an instrument or modify it to your taste, when you might have to resell it? Don't you care about PROFIT? Besides, don't you want to impress forum dudez?
:24:
Seriously though, you are correct. Musicians all have different motives. Some are addicted to new and better instruments, so they choose to flip them all the time. Some are content with one guitar and choose to modify it over time (like myself). Some save up for months for a particular instrument. All of these are fine. Gotta go... time to practice.
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Franknfilms
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
These out of control agile threads are just simply matter of quantity over quality. Some of us aren't ready to invest in one guitar of incredible value, just like we don't want to get married. At this point in my life I prefer my 3 cheap asian models that I can mess around with all I want vs. your expensive high maintenance american model that, should it break or get stolen it would be devastating.
What is ironic about this is that it is the guys that are settled down and married that have the above "quantity" (multiple asian models) approach to their guitars. Can you picture the asain models yet? Paging idsnowdog!
These out of control agile threads are just simply matter of quantity over quality. Some of us aren't ready to invest in one guitar of incredible value, just like we don't want to get married. At this point in my life I prefer my 3 cheap asian models that I can mess around with all I want vs. your expensive high maintenance american model that, should it break or get stolen it would be devastating.
What is ironic about this is that it is the guys that are settled down and married that have the above "quantity" (multiple asian models) approach to their guitars. Can you picture the asain models yet? Paging idsnowdog!
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jcthejester13
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
I have a $3000 dollar guitar and guess what I play the most? A ****ing partscaster tele with a squire neck that probably would cost $250 dollars lol. I threw it together in an afternoon out of spare parts I had laying around and it has been my number one player since. It isn't made with the highest grade A inspected Canadian wood and the parts aren't the most elite crap you can buy, but it sounds great and plays with lightning precision because I have tweaked it and mod'd it to exactly my standards (which are pretty damn high).
My point is just the same as what I said before... paying $1500 for a guitar isn't necessarily going to make it the greatest guitar on earth.
But duuuuude, it's all about the RESALE VALUE! I mean, why should you connect spiritually to an instrument or modify it to your taste, when you might have to resell it? Don't you care about PROFIT? Besides, don't you want to impress forum dudez?
:24:
Seriously though, you are correct. Musicians all have different motives. Some are addicted to new and better instruments, so they choose to flip them all the time. Some are content with one guitar and choose to modify it over time (like myself). Some save up for months for a particular instrument. All of these are fine. Gotta go... time to practice.
I have a $3000 dollar guitar and guess what I play the most? A ****ing partscaster tele with a squire neck that probably would cost $250 dollars lol. I threw it together in an afternoon out of spare parts I had laying around and it has been my number one player since. It isn't made with the highest grade A inspected Canadian wood and the parts aren't the most elite crap you can buy, but it sounds great and plays with lightning precision because I have tweaked it and mod'd it to exactly my standards (which are pretty damn high).
My point is just the same as what I said before... paying $1500 for a guitar isn't necessarily going to make it the greatest guitar on earth.
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sosomething
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Honestly, setting your tone aside, there's truth to this.
I don't really connect any spirituality or deep sentimentality to what I view as tools (for the most part).
The music is in me, not in the guitar.
I just want the tools that will best allow me to get that music out. Earlier in my life I chose the guitar as a means to do that, so what I really want in a guitar is one that will get out of the way of my creative process so that I don't have to think about it much.
I'm still looking for the best tool for that job. I'll probably always be looking.
Some people have already found theirs, and that's great.
EDIT: and back to the OP - I hope he finds his!
But duuuuude, it's all about the RESALE VALUE! I mean, why should you connect spiritually to an instrument or modify it to your taste, when you might have to resell it? Don't you care about PROFIT? Besides, don't you want to impress forum dudez?
:24:
Seriously though, you are correct. Musicians all have different motives. Some are addicted to new and better instruments, so they choose to flip them all the time. Some are content with one guitar and choose to modify it over time (like myself). Some save up for months for a particular instrument. All of these are fine. Gotta go... time to practice.
Honestly, setting your tone aside, there's truth to this.
I don't really connect any spirituality or deep sentimentality to what I view as tools (for the most part).
The music is in me, not in the guitar.
I just want the tools that will best allow me to get that music out. Earlier in my life I chose the guitar as a means to do that, so what I really want in a guitar is one that will get out of the way of my creative process so that I don't have to think about it much.
I'm still looking for the best tool for that job. I'll probably always be looking.
Some people have already found theirs, and that's great.
EDIT: and back to the OP - I hope he finds his!
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jcthejester13
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IanBallard
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Re: Agile les pauls im going to do it!!!!
Sarcasm aside, I'm wanting a mahogany set-neck, stop-tail P-90 guitar for my second guitar. I linked to the one that find both aesthetically appealing and has the features I want for what I can afford. If I get that guitar, I'll play it for a while, possibly swap pickups and if it needs fretwork, I'll do it myself and won't feel scared doing it to a $1000+ guitar. I find the experience of repairing and modifying a guitar valuable and in a way, it brings the "tool" to a more personal level. I like the idea of having a #1 and keeping it and making it "my own". I'm rarely 100% happy with off-the-rack stuff, no matter how expensive it is. Though, I've yet to play a Suhr.
Sarcasm aside, I'm wanting a mahogany set-neck, stop-tail P-90 guitar for my second guitar. I linked to the one that find both aesthetically appealing and has the features I want for what I can afford. If I get that guitar, I'll play it for a while, possibly swap pickups and if it needs fretwork, I'll do it myself and won't feel scared doing it to a $1000+ guitar. I find the experience of repairing and modifying a guitar valuable and in a way, it brings the "tool" to a more personal level. I like the idea of having a #1 and keeping it and making it "my own". I'm rarely 100% happy with off-the-rack stuff, no matter how expensive it is. Though, I've yet to play a Suhr.
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