Amp Sims Vs Tube Amps
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The Vypyr.
Demanic
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JamesPaul
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The Vypyr had both 60W and 120W tube offerings. The VIPs, Pro and new X's do not.
Vypyrs were introduced at Winter NAMM 2008, and started shipping in August 2008. Compare that with the Spider Valve to determine which was first.
I would guess that like the Vypyrs, the Spider Valve is primarily a copy of the amps it models.
Demanic
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Spidervalve came out in '10. I think. I had thought all the Vypyr series was solid state. Might have to keep an eye out for one of the bigger ones.
The Spidervalve's power section was designed by Bogner, for what it's worth.
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JamesPaul
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I am confident that is a respectable power section in the Spidervalve.
The Vypyrs differ from most modelling amps, by using Peavey's Transtube technology to simulate preamp tubes. So the signal fed in to the DSP already approximates a tube preamp signal. The DSP then has less "tube preamp" processing work to do and can devote more processing to tone shaping and effects. This advantage also allows the Vypyr Pro to blend multiple amps together.
The tube Vypyrs were only in that first generation, 14 years ago, so they are probably difficult to find these days.
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I havent played either, but I bet that 30 years of Peavey's Transtube tech driving a Peavey 6L6 power section with on board DSP will outclass Line6's digital preamp from 14 years ago, driving a "Bogner Designed" tube section.
JamesPaul
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The Transtube technology was a huge advantage back in '08. Being able to feed preamp tube distortion and artifacts into the DSP freed up processing cycles and Peavey used those cycles for more accurate amp models, effect pedals and rack mount effects. With the higher processor speeds of today, I do not know how the competition compares. I also never compared my Vypyr with any of the Line 6 modellers. But the first generation Katana everyone raved about, could not keep up with my older first gen Vypyr 75.
Its a shame the company was mismanaged. For a while they were doing well in modeling (Revalver, Vypyr) and amplification. The Vypyr was maybe too early? Look at all the success the Katana is having.
Demanic
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I'm willing to be patient. I'm sure it will probably be a month or more before you can find good examples of both amps and put together a comparison video.
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LLL
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And next thing you know, BOSS comes out with a "Kytynya"...
Peavey's VIP series was promising, too.
JamesPaul
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My VIP 3 addresses most of the complaints Vypyr owners had. With the VIPs, they went to all Peavey/Trace Elliot/Budda amp models. They all sound quite accurate, but I miss some of the non-Peavey amp models, so I kept my Vypyr 75. I also use the VIP bass models when I hack away on, errr.... I mean practice, my bass.
Side note that the new Vypyr X makes more improvements and adds features to the VIPs.
Edit: I forget that Peavey did keep the Twin model on the VIPs. I am just not a Fender amp guy.
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I didn't know there was a new version of the Vypyr, but there it is!
It's unique as the only all analog modeling amp. That along makes it worth a listen. The 100 Watt Vypyr X pretty much looks like the modern incarnation of the Bandit.
I had been playing about ten years and had an epiphany with the Bandit one time. Bought one used and remember thinking, "I actually like the distortion more than my tube rig."
Demanic
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Well, do you have an old Vypyr? We could do a shootout!
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