Ascension
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I'm a bigger fan of the real G 12 T 75's than I am of the V 30s. Have a very early 90s 75 in my PRS Sonzera 20 combo and it kills!
Are you a Vintage 30 person?
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I'm a bigger fan of the real G 12 T 75's than I am of the V 30s. Have a very early 90s 75 in my PRS Sonzera 20 combo and it kills!
Ascension
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The problem with these kinds of comparisons is that they rarely compare multiple of the same "species" of V30. As anyone who has miced different speakers in a 4x12 knows, any two different speakers of the same make and year can sound very different from each other. The vast majority of the results of these kinds of videos are just these kinds of manufacturing tolerances; the 8 ohm ones really *do* sound a bit different, and the Mesa branded ones are known to be built slightly differently, but all of the non-Mesa 16 ohm V30s are within tolerances.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
1777 is the code for the Kult Mueller 75Hz cone. 444 is the 55Hz.
1777 would be a 75Hz Pulsonic cone
80's_Thrash_Metal
Slightly_Glazed_Believer
I think the John Browne video does an excellent job at dispelling all the "label BS" that we've all heard and taken as fact for so very long.....and many of us-(meaning you) still believe.
Pshhh- urban legend and old wives tales ....
I think Everyone wants to be nostalgic and/or think that their own rig has just a little bit more magic than the "uneducated" to justify the price tag of the "slightly better" boutique mentality... Or to just want their sound to be a little special....
Guitarists like to Feel enlightened knowing that their xxx branded speaker was made just a little bit better than the "peasants" version...
In some instances this could actually be true...Amp models from specific years, certain preamp tubes, a "DDJ from the 80's that was hand wired with extra love" .... (I really do believe that one! )
But the Truth is.... The tone coming from each one of these V30 type speakers are all very very close no matter where they are made and no matter what sticker is on the back of it, Marshall, Mesa, Celestion made wherever. That video can free you. Watch it again.
Are there outlying speakers that sound different once in awhile...sure. Big whoop.
/Rant
Pshhh- urban legend and old wives tales ....
I think Everyone wants to be nostalgic and/or think that their own rig has just a little bit more magic than the "uneducated" to justify the price tag of the "slightly better" boutique mentality... Or to just want their sound to be a little special....
Guitarists like to Feel enlightened knowing that their xxx branded speaker was made just a little bit better than the "peasants" version...
In some instances this could actually be true...Amp models from specific years, certain preamp tubes, a "DDJ from the 80's that was hand wired with extra love" .... (I really do believe that one! )
But the Truth is.... The tone coming from each one of these V30 type speakers are all very very close no matter where they are made and no matter what sticker is on the back of it, Marshall, Mesa, Celestion made wherever. That video can free you. Watch it again.
Are there outlying speakers that sound different once in awhile...sure. Big whoop.
/Rant
Rex_Rocker
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I thought Pulsonic was something else?
If not, then they kept the same code, because current producton RI Greenbacks, Anniversary H30's, T-75's, K100's, and CL80's have that same code and are certainly not made by Pulsonic.
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beaubrummels
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I didn't know they put it on 75s, 80s and 100s, but Dr. Decibel told me they put the old code on the reissues for nostalgia, same reason the Heritages show 15ohm when that's not what they are.
beaubrummels
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This is true. The differences are subtle, they are audible, but subtle. Could be simply a slight mid-peak in your rig that you don't like but a different model smooths that out in your rig. Like for me, Greenbacks are a touch more even, with highs and lows, V30 have a bit more hi-mid peak, and my 80 has a bit stronger hi-mid peak and less treble than a Greenback.
My understanding is the V30 was engineering to be a higher wattage speaker that still sounds like the old Blue Alnico model. I think it lives up to that reasonably well.
Celestion V30, T3903
Celestion Blue, T4427
Greenbacks, reissues and others aren't all the far off from each other, but there are subtle audible differences.
Celestion G12M Greenback, T1221
Celestion G12H Anniversary (my favorite)
Celestion Classic Lead 80
Also, frequency response doesn't tell the whole picture. Differences in magnet weight and size of the voice coil can change the settling time which affects reproduction of detail and ability to reproduce various frequencies accurately.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
That is horrible that they would reissue that speaker cone code for a cone that is no longer made
That is deceptive in the least by Celestion. The Pulsonic factory burnt down in the 70s. They are considered the gold standard of cones for Celetrion speakers. IIRC the factory burnt down around 71 - 72 and the last of the speakers made their way into amps around 73 - 75.
beaubrummels
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I thought it was only on the Heritage versions that are now 'legacy' and no longer made/sold.
BlackhawkRise
New member
If 30 is vintage, than brother I am old
Yeah mate, it's certainly looking ridiculous. Fact: when I play, if I step sideways one foot the tone changes drastically, as if I'm playing through different speakers. Actually no! Different cab! Why do I need a different flavour of the same speaker when I can just move around the room? Guess the same applies to microphone placement, EQ-ing and so on. Dipped my toes into the IRs rabbit hole recently but managed to pull myself out quickly enough before reaching the point of no return.
I have a fair idea by now what tones I like and what I should expect from the signal chain. If the speaker doesn't stab my ears with piercing highs and it's not too dark & undefined it's a start. I'm not recording / gigging so I don't need extra upper mids & highs. We all have our preferences when it comes to pretty much anything. But to keep sifting through $H%7loads of flavours of the same thing? Are you serious? I have better things to do.
Rex_Rocker
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Yeah, they don't use the 1777 cone on the Heritages, though. I forget what cone code they use/used on the Heritage series 75Hz that's supposed to be based on the original Pulsonic cone, but it's the same as the Creamback series and the EVH that they put on currently.
80's_Thrash_Metal
Slightly_Glazed_Believer
Animal
Well-known member
And the grand irony of having infinite flavours of the same thing at one's disposal is that nearly all of the iconic sounds are from an era when guitarists were working with far greater limitations.
Chistopher
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This is a direct enforcement of the idea that "more time spent learning about hardware equals less time learning guitar"
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
The more I play, the more I believe this to be true. If I have lots of options I will grab a different guitar/pedal/amp rather than focus on learning to make the sounds I want with the shit I am currently using . . . the options seem to make me a worse and less creative player.
marcello252
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
I have Seventy/80s in my Fender cab, and they sound amazing. I had them in an open-back Fender and didn't like them. I threw them in a closed-back Fender cab and they sound amazing.
