Are you a Vintage 30 person?

[PS412]

I have Seventy/80s in my Fender cab, and they sound amazing. I had them in an open-back Fender and didn't like them. I threw them in a closed-back Fender cab and they sound amazing.

I think the 70/80 is a wonderful speaker that is underrated. I can't speak to the open back as it has been a long while since I have played an open backed cabinet but they are awesome in the closed 4/12. I don't get the dislike but hey I also like the 498/490 pickups but thats for another thread.

Cheap like Borscht too.

 

[misterwhizzy]

Agree to disagree on the 70/80. I still think they come with amps just so the manufacturer can slap a Celestion sticker on the combo.

 

[jeremy]

yeah, im not a big fan of the 70/80. its not bad, but for what i do, its not for me.

 

[Cynical]

Agree to disagree on the 70/80. I still think they come with amps just so the manufacturer can slap a Celestion sticker on the combo.

Agreed. They're better than the old Rocket 50s which used to have that role, but they're still not great.

 

[Securb]

I think the 70/80 is a wonderful speaker that is underrated.

Everyone who plays or hears my M80 half stack with the Seventy/80s loves it.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

With a little bit of effort it's pretty easy to dial in a very good tone with most speakers, amps, even pedals.
It's fun to have lots of options, but also it's not necessary.

 

[ehdwuld]

We listen with our eyes alot

 

[misterwhizzy]

We listen with our eyes alot

I’d like to plead guilty, your honor.

 

[Cynical]

With a little bit of effort it's pretty easy to dial in a very good tone with most speakers, amps, even pedals.
It's fun to have lots of options, but also it's not necessary.

In the room, yes. Under a mic, it's *very* hard to get a bad speaker to sound good. And this is coming from someone who had the poor judgement to record both a demo and a full-length album with a cab loaded with Rocket 50s!

 

[Chistopher]

We listen with our eyes alot

If there's one thing I've learned on the tele forum, tone is more in your head than in your hands.

 

[Seashore]

This is a direct enforcement of the idea that "more time spent learning about hardware equals less time learning guitar"

On the other hand, if you don't spend time dealing with speakers, mics, preamps, etc, you're at a disadvantage for recording. You'll have to pay someone else to do it and deal with the results. The real test of tone is in the mix, and it will come together a lot easier if you can get it right at the source.

 

[esandes]

I am on team vintage

 

[Chistopher]

On the other hand, if you don't spend time dealing with speakers, mics, preamps, etc, you're at a disadvantage for recording. You'll have to pay someone else to do it and deal with the results. The real test of tone is in the mix, and it will come together a lot easier if you can get it right at the source.

But if I do learn about it, I'll know just enough to make the sound guy mad.

 

[ehdwuld]

Most red boxes take a direct signal in and a perfectly mic'd speaker out

That is the entire appeal of speaker emulation boxes

Why learn how to do something that a 20 dollar pedal will do for you

 

[Mincer]

Most red boxes take a direct signal in and a perfectly mic'd speaker out

That is the entire appeal of speaker emulation boxes

Why learn how to do something that a 20 dollar pedal will do for you

And we have come a long way from the analog H&K Red Boxes of 20 years ago to the IR loaders and convolution speaker/mic models of today.

 

[Seashore]

But if I do learn about it, I'll know just enough to make the sound guy mad.

Well, I've seen you make similar points across a lot of threads, which basically boil down to: Fiddling around with gear is a waste of time; stop fiddling around with gear, and get back to playing. Sometimes that's valid but I don't agree with it here. Recording myself has been an integral part of my musical creativity since I started playing, and I've learned so much about songwriting and production from being able to put stuff together on my own. It's been anything but a waste of time. I wouldn't be the same musician without it. Maybe it's easy now for people to get great sounds running in direct, but none of that stuff was available to me when I started.

 

[Chistopher]

Well, I've seen you make similar points across a lot of threads, which basically boil down to: Fiddling around with gear is a waste of time; stop fiddling around with gear, and get back to playing. Sometimes that's valid but I don't agree with it here. Recording myself has been an integral part of my musical creativity since I started playing, and I've learned so much about songwriting and production from being able to put stuff together on my own. It's been anything but a waste of time. I wouldn't be the same musician without it. Maybe it's easy now for people to get great sounds running in direct, but none of that stuff was available to me when I started.

Yeah, one thing to consider though, when I say that it's because I'm on a guitar gear forum talking to guitar gear nerds, usually on threads where we really get in the weeds of minute differences in gear that are often founded more upon history or mythos than our own ears.

More of what I'm trying to say is that, as a "guitar player", the finer the hair you split the less utility there is to doing so. As a "guitar enthusiast" those hairs can be a lot of fun. When you reach 60 posts deep in a thread about a speaker type discussed in a vacuum, it becomes very easy to slip into the purely academic realm.

And I suppose that sentiment is just my fear of materialism sneaking through

 

[ehdwuld]

I think we all want to blame the gear when we just haven't practiced

It's the mic on the speaker
It the strings

Solid State amps
Bolt on neck ...... Etc

 

[80's_Metal]

I love fiddling around with guitar tones and recorded tones and learning all that I can about trying to record what's in the room.

I truly enjoy making my brand of guitar tone my very own. Constantly learning and improving.

Mics and speakers and amps and pedals are some of my favorite things!

I applaud anyone who spends the time and effort involved in this pursuit of knowledge. It's a lot of fun! (For me )

If you want to plug in to whatever digital shortcut you feel like, go for it. No judgement from me, you do you and what works for you, and spend time doing whatever it is that you want.

In the end we should all be sharing and enjoying whatever music we are into.
Music is meant to be shared and enjoyed, not nitpicked and argued over.

For example, I effing despise anything fender and also greenbacks, but if you can make that shit sound good for whatever you do,.. Then awesome man! Go for it! Happy days! I'm super excited for you ! I applaud your efforts and talents.

Carry on gents! Go team V-30!

 

[80's_Metal]

And if you are a V30 lover....

Please check out the DV-77 from eminence. In the general opinion, it's everything you like about a V30 and without the harshness that people don't like about it.