Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

What's funny is that that "idiots" have obviously been designing these amps for decades, given that they even give the option to turn the mids down further than the "2 and under range."

Leo Fender = idiot
Jim Marshall = idiot
Randall Smith = idiot
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Blanket statements rule!

Yeah, since they designed them to go lower that's clearly what I was referring to. *sarcasm*

Here's a blanket statement for you: people who take things people say entirely out of context with no relation to what was said and turn it around to look like something entirely different than what they said are _________. (fill in the blank but feel free to use your imagination)

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

I have to say I'm confused. My main amp only has bass and treble controls, nothing for the mids. How can I now find out if I'm an idiot or not?

Buy a better amp.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Mids are on 10 that way.....you can't turn them down

 

[MacBradley]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Yeah, since they designed them to go lower that's clearly what I was referring to. *sarcasm*

Here's a blanket statement for you: people who take things people say entirely out of context with no relation to what was said and turn it around to look like something entirely different than what they said are _________. (fill in the blank but feel free to use your imagination)

Its not out of context. If only idiots would use the full range of the mid knob, then why would amps allow for the EQ to be adjusted that much? 110% relevant to what you said. The mid knob is just another adjustment in the sound path of electric guitar. No one is an idiot using it one way or another any more than someone is an idiot for using one string gauge over another.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

I have to say I'm confused. My main amp only has bass and treble controls, nothing for the mids. How can I now find out if I'm an idiot or not?

It depends on your other controls. If you have no bass, and no treble what's left? MIDS. The only way to be smart is to turn both your bass and treble off. Don't take my word for it though, apparently my amp settings make me slightly retarded.

 

[SFW]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Short answer... no. Both have their place, but there is a reason that both exist.

 

[DreX]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

And people say I give this forum a bad name.

This is some thoughtful debate right here, certain to profit the intellects of all involved.

 

[Maggot]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

-Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
-Nyes, of course they can(not).

That's the answer right there! It's the answer to a lot of other questions too!

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

I guess I am the only person in existence who does not like the sound of guitar tone when mids are extremely scooped. I can live with that.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Its not out of context. If only idiots would use the full range of the mid knob, then why would amps allow for the EQ to be adjusted that much? 110% relevant to what you said. The mid knob is just another adjustment in the sound path of electric guitar. No one is an idiot using it one way or another any more than someone is an idiot for using one string gauge over another.

It was very out of context. I said nothing about the people giving the options or designing the equipment. I only made a statement about the terrible guitar tone I hear from people who turn the mids all the way down. Completely different people. Completely different scenarios. Not the same ballpark, not even the same sport.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

And people say I give this forum a bad name.

This is some thoughtful debate right here, certain to profit the intellects of all involved.

Shall we dig up some of your gems?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

It depends on your other controls. If you have no bass, and no treble what's left? MIDS. The only way to be smart is to turn both your bass and treble off. Don't take my word for it though, apparently my amp settings make me slightly retarded.

Hey, if you really play your guitars with your mids setting at "0" on your amps that is your own choice. It's a lifestyle choice and I respect that. Just don't play anywhere near where my ears are please.

 

[dominus]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Here's a blanket statement for you: people who take things people say entirely out of context with no relation to what was said and turn it around to look like something entirely different than what they said are _________. (fill in the blank but feel free to use your imagination)

Seriously?

Well, considering most modern metal players use pickups that are high output and packed with mids the only ones who are playing without mids are idiots who are scooping their mids. They must not be very famous or good tone seekers if they are scooping their mids.

You can backpedal all you want and say that you don't want to hear it, but you clearly said "they must not be very famous" and people have pointed out a few players that have sold *millions* of albums with scooped mids.

 

[RStabler]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

So...yeah. Pickups.

With passives, I tend to stick with medium to higher medium output pickups with A5 mags. I get enough tightness while at the same time the highs are a little bit smoother for my taste. With exceptions(Distortion, for example), I never really liked high output, ceramic mag pickups as a whole.

Like some have said, there are some compromises. You really have to go with what you like.

Yay! Back on topic!

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Seriously?



You can backpedal all you want and say that you don't want to hear it, but you clearly said "they must not be very famous" and people have pointed out a few players that have sold *millions* of albums with scooped mids.

Backpedal? Where have I done that exactly? I addressed what was said about Hetfield and Dimebag immediately. Even though they played with slightly scooped mids, neither one of them played with their mids settings on "1" or "0".

So, I must say "seriously?" to you now. You seemed to have taken a nap and skipped over half the posts before posting this.

 

[MacBradley]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

I guess I am the only person in existence who does not like the sound of guitar tone when mids are extremely scooped. I can live with that.

Nope. My knobs on my amps vary from amp to amp, and none of them have the mids scooped. Just because that's my (or your) preference doesn't make people that do otherwise idiots for having a different preference though.

It was very out of context. I said nothing about the people giving the options or designing the equipment. I only made a statement about the terrible guitar tone I hear from people who turn the mids all the way down. Completely different people. Completely different scenarios. Not the same ballpark, not even the same sport.

No, it was very much in context. If people are idiots for scooping their mids, then the act of scooping mids is idiotic. If the act of scooping mids is unanimously idiotic, then creating an amp that allows the mids to be scooped is also idiotic. I was trying to point out how your blanket statement about people being idiots for using their mid knob too low is an illogical statement. I just extended your logic based on your criteria. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then maybe you're boosting your mids to compensate for something.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

I just extended your logic based on your criteria. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then maybe you're boosting your mids to compensate for something.

Them is fightin' words son. Care to step outside?

Yes, you "extended" what I said by taking it out of context and applying it to your own logic... not mine.

 

[Ptolemaeus]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Good lord, you guys have degraded into school yard insults over something that is entire subjective...

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Good lord, you guys have degraded into school yard insults over something that is entire subjective...

My apologies. I may have bit off more than I can chew when I used the word idiot.

 

[Myaccount876]

Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?

Buy a better amp.

So people should get rid of their Deluxe Reverb's, Bassman's, AC15's, AC30's, etc and get "better" amps that have a midrange control?

You know, you're digging a hole. I advise climbing out of the hole.

I guess I am the only person in existence who does not like the sound of guitar tone when mids are extremely scooped. I can live with that.

Not really. I can't stand a lot of modern metal albums because of compression and a hollow/thin/overly-scooped sound. It is the way you're presenting your ideas that scooped mids = bad that people are having a problem with - mainly the aggressiveness.