Digital Modelers
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Gtrjunior
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Can do
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I’d pay good money to see you load all of that in, in one trip.
justFred
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you can't model time based FX like delays, flanger, etc...you can put your own pedal in the FX loop...haven't tried profiling distortion pedals myself as never used them on tube amps, the natural distortion/overdrive is enough for me...
Demanic
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Well, as I have said before, the 2x15 is part of the guitar setup. So for the bass, all I have to do is stack the head and 4x10 cab on top of the 1x15 cab, then put the pa cab on top of that. Then I can just roll the whole thing in.
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Aceman
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I have been down with models since ~97. My Roland Cube gave me 5 great sounds. Exact duplicates? Probably not - don't know don't care
- JC 120 was an awesome clean solid state tone
- Blackface was a great Fender style clean/bright tone
- Vox/Bassman were decent in-between gritty all around rock sounds
- 800 stack was ok, if not special
- the 5150 was a freaking all around metal winner
- The recto was brutal goodness.
If you have a problem today - the problem is your own personal and irrational bias. Between increased processing, sampling rates through the rough, IR's etc...Modellers are fine. Better than fine.
Been thinking about a gen or two back all in one floor model for home foolishness.
- JC 120 was an awesome clean solid state tone
- Blackface was a great Fender style clean/bright tone
- Vox/Bassman were decent in-between gritty all around rock sounds
- 800 stack was ok, if not special
- the 5150 was a freaking all around metal winner
- The recto was brutal goodness.
If you have a problem today - the problem is your own personal and irrational bias. Between increased processing, sampling rates through the rough, IR's etc...Modellers are fine. Better than fine.
Been thinking about a gen or two back all in one floor model for home foolishness.
Gtrjunior
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Yes, I was aware of the time based fx not being able to be modeled.
I had watched a vid of the Cortex thing and they modeled a dirt pedal of some sort. That’s why I was wondering if the Kemper was capable of that too.
Gtrjunior
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I was shocked at how good the Atomic Amplifire sounded when I recently got that.
Plus modelers have the added benefit of not having to load in hundreds of pounds of gear.
That’s why I’ve been researching the Kemper etc....I figured if the AA12 sounded this good, a top of the line piece of gear like the Kemper must be even better.
I think my days of lugging gear into a club are done.
trevorus
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I just picked up a headrush pedalboard, and a small powered wedge monitor, and it's been fantastic so far. I'll be playing it at my regular gig soon, so I'll see how it sits in a mix. I've been using an ampless rig for a while aith a Tech21 FlyRig5 and a Mooer Radar being the two main parts. The headrush adds much more versatility, and upgradeability, plus stereo, and I'm looking forward to using it. It'll also make a great multi-effect if I am using a real amp in the garage with that band.
Gtrjunior
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The technology has come such a long way pretty quickly. The last multi fx unit I had was the Boss GT10. The digital fx sounded great but the OD and distortion sounds still left a lot to be desired at that point.
In what, 10 years the tech has evolved tremendously.
They certainly have. Boss is always a little behind what people are after. They really need to hire better preset-makers, too.
devastone
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The Atomic models are top of the line, they are supposedly as good as any, they just haven't caught on as big as the others but there are people who will argue that they as as good as the Helix, Axe-Fx, etc... The Kemper is different because of profiling vs modeling tech, I haven't tried it so I can't comment on it, but it is a different on ramp to the same destination. If you look in pro racks that use modeling, seems to be a pretty equal split between Axe-Fx and Kemper, with the Helix probably in 3rd. Granted, that's not any kind of statistical analysis, just a very high level observation on my part that probably has at least a 50% margin of error. Of course, I use a Boss GT-1000 because I moved from the GT-100, the Boss has more processing power than the the Helix so it never limits a signal chain, which wouldn't be a problem for my simple chains anyway, and the AIRD tech is really good, again, I haven't tried the other big 3, but I get sounds that I am happy with, so it works. That said, I'm also building a pedal board around some AMT preamp pedals and/or a Tech 21 RK5 v2 because I'm still not a fan of programming, not that it's hard, but there is too much tweakability and it's too easy to end up tweaking on stuff for hours instead of playing. Sometimes imposing some limits is a good thing.
devastone
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Yeah, that's unfortunate, the GT-1000 is really good, but it is definitely the Boss approach, people will either love it or hate it. FWIW, they have been updating frequently and adding really useful stuff (Centa OD for example). Their AIRD tech sounds and feels really good too. Also, the presets are much better than the in the past, preset 1-1 is pretty much what sold me on the unit, even though I've overwritten it with my own, it sounded great IMHO.
Good to hear. In the past, their presets were way overdone, and they would rarely update any software at all.
ErikH
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Same for me. I don't mind some tweaking here and there but when it comes down to hooking the unit up to a computer and really digging in, I might give up on it. Hell, I had a Digitech RP-500 that was fun at first but I got tired of tweaking and tweaking. The Fly Rig 5 v2 is perfect for what I want. In fact, I'm looking at the RK5 v2 myself for a Worship setup. Literally has everything I would need in it. Can run it direct or in front of one of the Dual Reverbs back stage in the ISO boxes, quick and simple setup. No worries.
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devastone
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If the RK5 had the effects loop like the FR5 it would be perfect. Still pretty good, I like the distortion better on it than the FR5 and Richie wanted it to work well both ways, as pedals into a regular amp and a DI solution. That said, the AMT preamps are pretty awesome too.
ErikH
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I like the AMT preamps myself. I don't use the loop in the FR5 now so it not being there on the RK5 isn't a deal breaker for me. Once I get to rehearse/jam in a few weeks with them I'll have a better idea on how things will work. I know I won't need to use the 5150 Overdrive. That will be completely overkill for this. With the Journey Tribute band, it's perfect. I *could* use the same pedalboard for both but I would rather keep things separate.
devastone
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I'm still using my GT-1K, and really like it, but I only use one preset for with 2 channels and some basic effects for everything at church. I have a few presets set up similarly but with different models that I use for my stuff, just doesn't seem like I'm maximizing what it can do. So, I have a RK5 v2, AMT P2, and AMT B2 laying around, along with some various other pedals and a 2 channel DI box, so I bought a b-stock Rockboard to see what I can put together. And yes, have to dial back the gain on any of them or just use my modded SD-1 for church use. Not sure if it will replace the GT or not, I keep flipping on that. But, never bad to have a backup of some kind around I guess. The Rotary effect on the RK5 is pretty cool, may use set it for that and run external delay and verb pedals, I have a TC HoF and Flashback, then can feed the DI box in stereo.
Gtrjunior
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I’ve been meaning to ask you....
I’ve been dialing in some presets for church on the AA12.
I decided to use the Deluxe Reverb model and Ive set up a few options with it.
I have a clean, with reverb delay and chorus. The delay and chorus can be turned on and off with the stomp switches. I also have a clean boost that can be switched on and off too.
The next patch is the same model but with overdrive l, reverb and delay. I have a graphic eq set for a leaf boost if necessary.
The problem I’m having is dialing on a mid gain tone. Maybe I’m making more of it that necessary, idk. Maybe in the mix it will be right, but it feels like it’s too much gain....but when I turn the gain down it seems to make the tone too thin, if that makes sense.
How are you settling your patches to get gainy but not too over the top?
devastone
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I run pretty much one patch in stompbox mode. I use the Natural amp on the GT, according to the description it's between a JC120 and a Blackface. In the same patch I have a Supreme that I can switch to that is kind of like a non-master Marshally thing through a 4-12 set to medium gain. I have an OD in front of the split that I can use with either (Centa OD IIRC). That's what works for me, I like the warmer old Marshall type model for the crunchier stuff, it seems smoother, I find overdriven Fenders to be spikier for lack of a better term, and that's more the rhythm sound our worship leader has, kind of Fender or Vox-ish, which really isn't my thing. I have a Compressor, Phaser, and Univibe in front that I can turn on or off, and chorus and delay after the amp, and plate reverb that's always on, I dialed in what I thought was too much, then added a little more, definitely not my thing, but it seems to be the P&W thing. The GT has an expression pedal that I use all the time, usually for volume swells, but I can click it to a wah for the rare occasion I need one. I would definitely recommend an expression pedal with a switch to serve double duty, the AF should do that, but I haven't used one so I don't know anything about programming them.
Hope this helps some, I may vary stuff a little depending on the set for the week, but that's rare. I also have the same patch with a Vox-ish model in it, but I rarely use it, again, not really my sound, but it's a little cleaner than the Supreme model.
And of course, it will sound different when you plug in to their system than at home.
Hope this helps some, not sure if I answered your question exactly, and I'm not in front of my stuff tonight, but that's the basics of how I have it set up.
Hope this helps some, I may vary stuff a little depending on the set for the week, but that's rare. I also have the same patch with a Vox-ish model in it, but I rarely use it, again, not really my sound, but it's a little cleaner than the Supreme model.
And of course, it will sound different when you plug in to their system than at home.
Hope this helps some, not sure if I answered your question exactly, and I'm not in front of my stuff tonight, but that's the basics of how I have it set up.
Gtrjunior
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I watched a couple videos last night and I have a couple of ideas on eq-ing the cab block a little differently.
I think when I sad it sounds thin, the better description is like you said, there is that spiky thing going on.
I’ll try to re-eq it and also try to dial up a medium gain plexi sound for the OD and see what I get.
You definitely helped. I’m just trying to get ideas of what other players are using for appropriate worship sounds.
The “lots of reverb and delay” advise you gave me seems like that’s the thing in this genre. Lol
