Duncan SSL1, california set

[Mincer]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

I know the flat pole version is the ssl2 but there is no California set with flat poles, I was questioning if the calibrated set was available in flat poles. I don't care for staggered poles if I can help it

I am the same way. If I have a choice, I go flat. However, I've said this in Strat-centric forums and they tend to freak out.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

bringing this back up. could we get some clarification on this? specs on the calibrated ssl1 set would be great since it seems like that would be a very popular set, more so than the california set.

 

[gregory]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Here's the quote from Boomer...

Yes, it does appear that we have a discrepancy on our site with the California 50's set specs. That set has all three DC Res's to be as close to the same as relatively possible. We also sell a "Calibrated SSL-1 Set", which as a specific descending DC res between each position, having a hotter bridge, less hot middle and less hot neck. This Calibrated Set is currently not on the site, but we will address re-adding it ASAP. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[jeremy]

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umm... yeah. i read that when he posted but didnt get the follow up questions answered

 

[Chistopher]

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Trouble with treble bleeds is often caused by people who think a 0.001 cap across the volume pot is a universal solution. To me its not surprising that people find it too bright.

I guess with 250k pots and 50's wiring, you probably don't need the treble bleed cap. I would remove it from the OP's guitar. Otherwise with modern wiring and 500k pots, you may be able to find a treble bleed circuit that works.

The treble bleed can make the tone control and volume controls work completely independently when you get the right cap and resistor combination. However with 50's wiring you won't be able to achieve the same benefit.

Wrong thread, amigo.

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Yes, it does appear that we have a discrepancy on our site with the California 50's set specs. That set has all three DC Res's to be as close to the same as relatively possible. We also sell a "Calibrated SSL-1 Set", which as a specific descending DC res between each position, having a hotter bridge, less hot middle and less hot neck. This Calibrated Set is currently not on the site, but we will address re-adding it ASAP. Sorry for the confusion.

Descending DC resistance? It sounds like you're taking ordinary SSL-1s, measuring their DC resistance and then arranging a descending set, but I know from an in-factory YouTube video that SSL-1's are wound with expensive machines with Japan, which means the wind counts are surely identical from one to the next, and so the DC resistances are meaningless and the three pickups will be identical for all intents and purposes.

 

[Chistopher]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Descending DC resistance? It sounds like you're taking ordinary SSL-1s, measuring their DC resistance and then arranging a descending set, but I know from an in-factory YouTube video that SSL-1's are wound with expensive machines with Japan, which means the wind counts are surely identical from one to the next, and so the DC resistances are meaningless and the three pickups will be identical for all intents and purposes.

What he means is that all three positions are wound to a different turn count and they are intended to be put with the hottest one in the bridge and the coolest in the neck. What you're describing is how people usually install the California 50s set.

None of the SSL-1s I've seen have strayed to far from 6.5k to be worth noting, so I have to ask, what are all three positions wound to in the calibrated set? And when you put the calibrated set up on the site, could you include a little bit at the bottom of the CA 50s page that says "if you are looking for a set calibrated for each position, here's a link" and then do the same by linking the calibrated page back to the CA 50s for people that aren't interested in pickups wound for each spot? That would make this less confusing.

 

[Teleplayer]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

I'm yet to be convinced the SSL-2 series are entirely without variation. The worst I had was one with 6.9k resistance.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Descending DC resistance? It sounds like you're taking ordinary SSL-1s, measuring their DC resistance and then arranging a descending set, but I know from an in-factory YouTube video that SSL-1's are wound with expensive machines with Japan, which means the wind counts are surely identical from one to the next, and so the DC resistances are meaningless and the three pickups will be identical for all intents and purposes.

all seymour duncan pups are made in santa barbara, california. duncan designed and the other overseas brands used to be made in korea, i dont know if sd has ever made anything in japan but surely not any ssl1.

I'm yet to be convinced the SSL-2 series are entirely without variation. The worst I had was one with 6.9k resistance.

i would love that as a bridge pup!

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

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all seymour duncan pups are made in santa barbara, california. duncan designed and the other overseas brands used to be made in korea, i dont know if sd has ever made anything in japan but surely not any ssl1.

I meant the Tanacs they used are made in Japan.

 

[gregory]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

I'm yet to be convinced the SSL-2 series are entirely without variation. The worst I had was one with 6.9k resistance.

That's only a 6% variation: easily within manufacturing tolerance after taking into account that the measurement is temperature sensitive and likely not performed by a calibrated meter.

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

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The DC resistance might vary a lot, but there's little reason to believe a fully machine wound pickup would have a varied wind count. They intend these things to wind all manner of coils for inductors and transformers, so I don't think it would be acceptable that they would get the turn counts wrong by even a single turn.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

I’m sure the machines get the turn count right. Wire varies though which will always account for at least a bit of difference

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Wire variance wouldn't impact the way the pickup works by much, since the ability of the coil to make voltage out of a changing magnetic field is almost entirely a function of the coil dimensions and the turn count. That's not to say there's no variance, but any variance is not likely attributable to the wire. We don't know how many machine winders they have running, and if they're all set up the same way, or if the settings change from one production run to the next. They make no assurances when it comes to that level of detail.

 

[gregory]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

All other things being equal, expect the one with the lowest DCR to be the loudest. Yes, that is exactly what I said: more DCR, *less* output.

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

All other things being equal, expect the one with the lowest DCR to be the loudest. Yes, that is exactly what I said: more DCR, *less* output.

The series resistance would have to be rather large to actually audibly impact the "loudness". The differences being discussed are way too small to have any effect.

 

[gregory]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Then allow me to remove the word loudest, since audibility was not the point.

I don't put much faith in subjective opinions of audibility that aren't supported by objective evidence, anyway.

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Then allow me to remove the word loudest, since audibility was not the point.

I don't put much faith in subjective opinions of audibility that aren't supported by objective evidence, anyway.

Human hearing is only sensitive to about 1dB of loudness increase or decrease. That's a relatively high bar. A few ohms resistance won't alter the voltage to a degree that comes anywhere close to that.

 

[gregory]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Human hearing is only sensitive to about 1dB of loudness increase or decrease.

Better than 1dB, but that's a good ballpark number.

A few ohms resistance won't alter the voltage to a degree that comes anywhere close to that.

Exactly!

 

[Chistopher]

Re: Duncan SSL1, california set

Glad we finally managed to work out that SD pickups sound the same within the same model.