NegativeEase
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Shes a great lady, with a son who has a great sense of humor.
Shes a great lady, with a son who has a great sense of humor.
Feeling argumentative? WARNING TONEWOOD CONTENT
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metalchurch79
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Well you are near my Mom...
All’s good bro, gotta have a little fun right?
Shes a great lady, with a son who has a great sense of humor.
Well you are near my Mom...
All’s good bro, gotta have a little fun right?
dpaterson
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Yeh.
After reading all of the arguments made here I withdraw my statement (of being able to tell the difference) and this done in a crass attempt to save face. There are indeed way too many variables (when it comes to electric guitars anyway i.e. I couldn't comment on acoustics). Don't get me wrong: I'm still of the opinion that the different woods make a VERY big difference when it comes to tone. But being able to just hear the difference in some type of test (blind of other)??? I doubt it. And I based my initial "gung ho" post on the fact that MY three guitars are all very different "animals" but that's only because I've spent a long time with them and have spent (too much) time analysing their every nuance. But put me in a room with a whole bunch of strange and different guitars??? Nah. Not gonna happen.
Yeh.
After reading all of the arguments made here I withdraw my statement (of being able to tell the difference) and this done in a crass attempt to save face. There are indeed way too many variables (when it comes to electric guitars anyway i.e. I couldn't comment on acoustics). Don't get me wrong: I'm still of the opinion that the different woods make a VERY big difference when it comes to tone. But being able to just hear the difference in some type of test (blind of other)??? I doubt it. And I based my initial "gung ho" post on the fact that MY three guitars are all very different "animals" but that's only because I've spent a long time with them and have spent (too much) time analysing their every nuance. But put me in a room with a whole bunch of strange and different guitars??? Nah. Not gonna happen.
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^ I thinks thats why some of these blind tests actually fail in method. I would bet none of the participants knew the acoustics of the test room that well, so immediately you get a homogenisation of tone that makes fine discernment impossible.
^ I thinks thats why some of these blind tests actually fail in method. I would bet none of the participants knew the acoustics of the test room that well, so immediately you get a homogenisation of tone that makes fine discernment impossible.
Francois
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Blind test gives a scientifc auras but it all depends on protocols (a lot of junk science as been done with double blind tests).
I agree with Ayrton : So many variables in sound...
And as fars endangered speices are concerned I would like to point out that guitarists do not need abalone knobs.
Blind test gives a scientifc auras but it all depends on protocols (a lot of junk science as been done with double blind tests).
I agree with Ayrton : So many variables in sound...
And as fars endangered speices are concerned I would like to point out that guitarists do not need abalone knobs.
Der Oberherr
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I actually put this thread up and simply forgot about it. Having just read through this I agree with those who say that they can tell the difference between guitar sounds, but identifying the actual timber would be bordering on impossible. IME i tend to find more of a difference acoustically when guitars have differing fretboard wood, but it's only a slight difference. But yes to those who say feel and note choice is more important than a lump of wood.
I actually put this thread up and simply forgot about it. Having just read through this I agree with those who say that they can tell the difference between guitar sounds, but identifying the actual timber would be bordering on impossible. IME i tend to find more of a difference acoustically when guitars have differing fretboard wood, but it's only a slight difference. But yes to those who say feel and note choice is more important than a lump of wood.
Der Oberherr
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Also, despite the title, I was hoping for a well reasoned debate over an actual argument, which you've all managed to accomplish brilliantly.
Also, despite the title, I was hoping for a well reasoned debate over an actual argument, which you've all managed to accomplish brilliantly.
NegativeEase
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Agree, especially with perfectly acceptable composite options that look identical and even superior in many cases, I mean, people don't need to slaughter a tortoise for guitar picks anymore either -as equal and superior materials were developed to meet the needs of guitarists created by regulation to protect endangered animals then too.
Agree, especially with perfectly acceptable composite options that look identical and even superior in many cases, I mean, people don't need to slaughter a tortoise for guitar picks anymore either -as equal and superior materials were developed to meet the needs of guitarists created by regulation to protect endangered animals then too.
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Ben1962
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If you slaughter, you gotta eat it too. Abalone is tasty mmm
If you slaughter, you gotta eat it too. Abalone is tasty mmm
metalchurch79
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I think you got exactly what you were looking for.
I think you got exactly what you were looking for.
NegativeEase
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I did hear that it's amazing tasting.
I did hear that it's amazing tasting.
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My 'history' with wood and guitars has lead to conclude that the construction mainly makes pickups either hate the guitar or like it. It doesn't change the fundamental nature of a pickup.....a JB will still have the spike, a PAF strength pickup will still be more open and dynamic. But you can have the 'bright bridge, dull neck' syndrome (not enough mids or punch), overly full sound (too much girth) thin and wimpy, volume balance poor, etc etc etc. Then there are those occasional instruments that just make whatever pickup set you install push the amp so much harder than when they are in any other guitar. I have a few axes like that......of all different constructions too.
I can say I have quite literally lost count of the number of times I've tweaked guitars
Swapping necks and bodies with the various fender style guitars I've assembled/made
Swapping pickup sets between body/neck chassis' of both Fender and Gibson style.
Sometimes pickups have gone through 6 or so guitars before they find a home, or guitars that are troublesome have many sets installed before they find the perfect match.
Also some guitars have a really signature aspect that shines through whatever pickup is in there. I've found the guitars I have made with Korina wood to have this much more than anything else.
My 'history' with wood and guitars has lead to conclude that the construction mainly makes pickups either hate the guitar or like it. It doesn't change the fundamental nature of a pickup.....a JB will still have the spike, a PAF strength pickup will still be more open and dynamic. But you can have the 'bright bridge, dull neck' syndrome (not enough mids or punch), overly full sound (too much girth) thin and wimpy, volume balance poor, etc etc etc. Then there are those occasional instruments that just make whatever pickup set you install push the amp so much harder than when they are in any other guitar. I have a few axes like that......of all different constructions too.
I can say I have quite literally lost count of the number of times I've tweaked guitars
Swapping necks and bodies with the various fender style guitars I've assembled/made
Swapping pickup sets between body/neck chassis' of both Fender and Gibson style.
Sometimes pickups have gone through 6 or so guitars before they find a home, or guitars that are troublesome have many sets installed before they find the perfect match.
Also some guitars have a really signature aspect that shines through whatever pickup is in there. I've found the guitars I have made with Korina wood to have this much more than anything else.
FuseG4
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Something with wood has to make a difference cuz when I play 5 les Paul's of the same model usually at least one is brighter or darker noticably.
Or is this a function of inconsistent setup, I mean they seem to play pretty similar but one won't sound like the others
It's why buying guitars sight unseen kinda scares me. Sometimes you get the one that's on the opposing side of the spectrum from the sounds you wanted to get and you feel like you fight it with pickups and setups.
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Something with wood has to make a difference cuz when I play 5 les Paul's of the same model usually at least one is brighter or darker noticably.
Or is this a function of inconsistent setup, I mean they seem to play pretty similar but one won't sound like the others
It's why buying guitars sight unseen kinda scares me. Sometimes you get the one that's on the opposing side of the spectrum from the sounds you wanted to get and you feel like you fight it with pickups and setups.
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Jack_TriPpEr
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Yeah, same here regarding the soundboard having the most influence on the tone of an acoustic. Here is a GraphTech article that backs that up (with the saddle coming in 2nd):
http://www.graphtech.com/news-and-community/news/2017/12/11/the-science-behind-acoustic-guitar-tone
Yeah, same here regarding the soundboard having the most influence on the tone of an acoustic. Here is a GraphTech article that backs that up (with the saddle coming in 2nd):
http://www.graphtech.com/news-and-community/news/2017/12/11/the-science-behind-acoustic-guitar-tone
NegativeEase
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I guess, Ovation Guitars wouldn't exist unless this were true.
well, I guess they could exist as a snow sled for kids.
I guess, Ovation Guitars wouldn't exist unless this were true.
well, I guess they could exist as a snow sled for kids.
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Like most of you, I have experienced major changes, swapping necks and bodies and I believe that in general, I can predict the timbre changes that occur... From my experience, scale length and pups have the most influence followed by neck and body....
But I've never done a double blind to prove it and here's a good summary of double blind for Stradivarius... The best playing the best can't tell the difference in Strads vs new violins... Of course the wood in this case is similar...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/million-dollar-strads-fall-modern-violins-blind-sound-check
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Like most of you, I have experienced major changes, swapping necks and bodies and I believe that in general, I can predict the timbre changes that occur... From my experience, scale length and pups have the most influence followed by neck and body....
But I've never done a double blind to prove it and here's a good summary of double blind for Stradivarius... The best playing the best can't tell the difference in Strads vs new violins... Of course the wood in this case is similar...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/million-dollar-strads-fall-modern-violins-blind-sound-check
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beaubrummels
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See? Stradivari don’t have pickups, scale length or barely any neck or body. Proof that the smaller your guitar the less anyone can hear it.
See? Stradivari don’t have pickups, scale length or barely any neck or body. Proof that the smaller your guitar the less anyone can hear it.
Jack_TriPpEr
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Does anyone play an Ovation unplugged?
Does anyone play an Ovation unplugged?
