Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blackstar

[chevyforlife21]

Have a 6505 mini head which I use as a bedroom amp with its 1 watt setting. Currently I have a v30 1x12 cab, I also use a HT1 head with the same cab. Looking to maybe get another cab the cab that comes with the 6505 mini is a 1x12 green back closed back why is this everything people say is that speaker is horrible for metal. The v30 is good the sheffield peavey I hated. Which speaker for the ht1? Which for the 6505? I don't play any crazy metal I keep my gain at 5 or 6 usually. My current cab is a particleboard open back Blackstar that I put a v30 in. I'm basically asking is the greenback perfect for the 6505 like peavey seemed to think when they paired it? Any cheaper cabs 1 x12? I was looking at the orange for 379 and the peavey for 299 with greenback. The orange has the v30 which I already have but I'm sure it's real plywood

 

[DinoTrousers]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Honestly at the 1 watt setting I don't think you would hear too much of a difference between them. And you really won't hear much the difference in a ply cab and an mdf cab at that volume, so I would get the Peavey Cab. The greenback is a good speaker especially for moderate gain sort of stuff (which sounds like you're doing with the gain at about halfway).

 

[dystrust]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

The Egnater Rebel 112X cabs are plywood, ported, and pretty inexpensive. I bought mine for $100 unloaded, and paid $60 for the Eminence Wizard I loaded it with. For heavier styles, a closed and ported 1x12 is definitely preferable to an open-backed cabinet. As far as speakers go, you really need to try both yourself. The Greenback and V30 both have a good reputation with moderate gain, but they do sound quite different. I've been using my Egnater cab with a Marshall Jubilee head, and it loves the Wizard(s) which are inspired by a G12H30 Celestion. Prior to that, the cab was loaded with an Eminence Private Jack (Greenback inspired) and it sounded like a honky, muddy mess with the Jube.

You should also consider both Eminence and WGS for speakers; IMO Celestion charges too much for a mediocre MIC speaker these days.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Wizard eh? I may have to look into one.

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[some_dude]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Greenbacks are fine for metal, but they're a different sort of sound. More crunch, less chug than a V30.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Greenbacks are fine for metal, but they're a different sort of sound. More crunch, less chug than a V30.

at last! this is the first time Ive heard anyone really say what the diff is tween a GB and V30!!

Chevyforlife, I don't know if this will be of any help to you, but Ill toss in this tidbit.. I have a PV classic 30 and changed the stock PV speaker for an Eminence Private Jack. The stock speaker had a decent tone, but a strange effect to it. If I would be playing with some volume and hit a lower power chord, it would almost be a hesitation then the chord would hit with a thud. Almost like it was loading up maybe..?? But reaction with the Private Jack is more instantaneous, but the over all tone is maybe alittle darker.. Good luck in your quest

 

[philthis]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Here's a little info. The vintage 30 has a tight bottom end for bass, a pronounced midrange, and a nice pronounced high end. It's midrange is lower kinda like between low and mid midrange. The green backs are mostly pronounced and tight midrange with softer bottom and top. That's why people say they sound honky. If you want a more pronounced bottom and top end on a greenback you can get a H magnet. This will give the green back a tight bottom end....not soft and boomy....but tight bottom with still the same midrange and a more pronounced but not brittle high end tone on the highs. At 1 watt you will push the lower wattage greenback better but I warn you, the green back with the H magnet is expensive. A vintage 30 will be less money but great for metal chugging when pushed. A regular greenback will crunch but sound midrange honky trying to drop D chug unless you get the H magnet. Even then it will not chug like a vintage 30 does as its voice is midrange and the vintage 30 is low midrange.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

thanks! one day I want to load a cab with have v30s and half greens..

 

[philthis]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

I'm gunna do creamback 75H's. The are kind of a cross between both those two speakers but the midrange is not as low as the Vintage 30's. They will not sound as good as a Greenback with a H mag at low volumes but They will do great at mid volume and high volume. I think clean, they will sound great at mid to high volume too......at least I hope (fingers crossed) becouse they have the H mag too and I like how a H magnet sounds on certain Celestion speakers.

 

[chevyforlife21]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

I'm gonna add a little to my question, Mesa mini recto cab for 400 orange for 299 same speaker Mesa is smaller and looks cooler, or peavey 112 with the green back for 249?

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[chevyforlife21]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

What you think?

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[dave74]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

I'm gonna add a little to my question, Mesa mini recto cab for 400 orange for 299 same speaker Mesa is smaller and looks cooler, or peavey 112 with the green back for 249?

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Neither, because for that same $ you could snag a used mesa 212 and have three times "better" tone (IMO). Also, look into Avatar cabs if you haven't already.

 

[SJ318]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Dystrust-
With the closed back are the ports on front, low one one either side and round? I am guessing. I tried to find
Out about ports a year ago maybe and it became a 3 page mess with no answers I under stood.
And if I may ask, not trying to derail, but while I'm here, is front loaded better than rear loaded, it seems to me it would disperse your sound better rather than making it a direct tube of sound in one direction.
Please pardon me for interjecting here, but I was about to post, and saw this.
Forgive me and thank you,
Steve Buffington.

 

[philthis]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

allright, I just got back from Guitar Center and remembering this post about Vintage 30's I did some hunting for an ideal setup. I have almost exclusively used Vintage 30's for years but usually as 2x12 cabs. I only started using greenbacks because I had a blues Jr with a greenback in it and it sounded really good with that amp.

I found an EVH lunchbox head 15watts and we all know its a crunch/high gain amp head. I ran it into a small cab Hughes n Ketner 1x12 with a vintage 30. I ran it with the small wattage setting first 5 watts? anyway it still sounded good on both the crunch and high gain channel. Its not super punchy but it sounded fine. When I switched it to full volume and turned it up that speaker really came alive. It catches all the singing gain on the notes but still breaks up on the crunch channel very nice for the most delightful crunchy chord sounds. I backed off the guitar volume down to 5.5 or 6 and it smoothed out nice but was still articulate and pleasant to listen too. When I pushed the volume on the guitar up to 10 for say.....a lead run or lead fill in between the chords the singing gain was right there. This speaker keeps the crunchy breakup bottom end tight but still keeps the high singing gain on every high note for awsome chirps and harmonics. This is the first time I have used a single small 1x12 vintage 30 cab but I can say it sounded wonderful with this amp head.

 

[dystrust]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Dystrust-
With the closed back are the ports on front, low one one either side and round? I am guessing. I tried to find
Out about ports a year ago maybe and it became a 3 page mess with no answers I under stood.
And if I may ask, not trying to derail, but while I'm here, is front loaded better than rear loaded, it seems to me it would disperse your sound better rather than making it a direct tube of sound in one direction.
Please pardon me for interjecting here, but I was about to post, and saw this.
Forgive me and thank you,
Steve Buffington.

My Egnater Rebel 112X is rear-loaded and front ported. I'm pretty sure the port is a vertical slot next to the speaker, but I don't remember for sure. If there's enough interest, I'll pop the back off tomorrow and snap a pic or two. My Ear Candy Buzzbomb 2x12 is front loaded, and it has a pair of round ports between the speakers.

Edit:
This pic isn't mine, but it shows the ports in the front baffle of the Rebel 112X:

 

[SJ318]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Dystrust-
Damn, thank you. That is very interesting to me and good to know. Would not a front loaded speaker project out into a standard crowd at a wider angle, thus without being louder,
you would be heard by more people in that wider spread? Or is the difference negligible?
Thank You very much for that shot.
Steve B.

 

[mantis]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Krank Revolution 1 JR 1x12 cab, It's Solid Popular and has a Eminence Legend 12 inch speaker in it. To me I find those speakers to do everything well and better then anything I have heard.
The Cleans are Fender like clear with amazing clarity
The Crunch is powerful with defined Mid Range Detail
Metal tones Roar and has crazy low end Power
This to me is a speaker that plays what you play.

 

[dystrust]

Re: Few questions green backs vs v30? Which cab? With peavey 6505 mini and blacksta

Dystrust-
Damn, thank you. That is very interesting to me and good to know. Would not a front loaded speaker project out into a standard crowd at a wider angle, thus without being louder,
you would be heard by more people in that wider spread? Or is the difference negligible?
Thank You very much for that shot.
Steve B.

I'm not an engineer, but IME front vs. rear-loaded makes very little difference compared to other cabinet parameters. My Earcandy Buzzbomb projects a lot better than my Rebel 112X, but that's to be expected from a 2x12.