Floyd Rose 1000 upgrade: Gotoh?

I am thinking Gotoh ge1996t, but I am not sure what problems I am going to face when installing the new bridge even after days of research. The FR 1000 doesn't hold tune after a week of heavy use, so it is not a whim, I need to get a good Floyd. The crux of the matter seems to be the mounting studs with Floyd vs Gotoh. Might as well just get an OFR if I thought I would get anything better than Gotoh, or if I knew I had to in order to avoid a lot of trouble, but it is too expensive as it is. Tell me what I should know and do. Thanks.
 
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Nothing wrong with the 1000 series. Whatever tuning issues you are having is not going to be resolved by swapping tremolos.
 
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I wished you were right because I am in Turkey and ordering stuff from abroad can be quite a hassle, sometimes impossible, as I am struggling on Schaller site now. Let alone money considerations.
 
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Well a luthier thinks the knife edges and posts are worn... I am not making the whole idea up

I just answered this on TGP. lol

Not saying you are making it up, just that the bridge is not necessarily the problem.

The 1000 series is hardened steel. No different than the German stamped version. I have OFR that date back to the early ‘80’s and they work fine.

Before you go spending money on a new bridge, have a different shop look at the guitar
 
Re: Floyd Rose 1000 upgrade: Gotoh?

I just answered this on TGP. lol

Not saying you are making it up, just that the bridge is not necessarily the problem.

The 1000 series is hardened steel. No different than the German stamped version. I have OFR that date back to the early ‘80’s and they work fine.

Before you go spending money on a new bridge, have a different shop look at the guitar
Okay I will give it another chance...
 
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True... we did file it, it still doesn't get back to tune after a pull-up... some chipping on the posts and knife, I think I know it is the knife edge and posts because it is the same syndrome with my strat, I had to deck it so now it goes only one way and works alright. I tried multiple set up strategies with this one, nothing expertly, but still I gave it some hours... I have just read yesterday that the bridge need not be parallel to the body with Floyds, maybe should try different angles, but then need to try some angles with the neck too I guess... anyhow tomorrow someone else will look at it. By the way I located a Schaller Lockmeister I can actually get - there is a problem of transfer of payments we are having here - where I can choose block and nut size, unlike Thomann - disappointing - and for a very reasonable price IMO, still for a bit more money than Gotoh. It is a company from Russia on Reverb, 'Rockstargear'. Honestly a Russian company wouldn't look trustworthy initially but it appears to be doing good work. Nothing against Russians, I might not trust a Turkish company - that is me - if I were a buyer from Russia, it is a world-situation thing. If anybody knows them let me know.
 
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If the trem goes back to the same position each time (flat or sharp) then you have an adjustment problem. Dump the bar and see where it springs back to. Adjust the claw to screws to bring the guitar to pitch. Lube the knife edges with something like Chapstick and then dump the bar again.
 
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Cool, okay... yes it gets back to the same position, but those positions are different when you pull up and when you push down...
 
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Maybe you know this already, but have you aslo checked to make sure the inside of the nut is flat and not grooved?
 
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Cool, okay... yes it gets back to the same position, but those positions are different when you pull up and when you push down...

That is not uncommon. Your tension is off, and you need to adjust.

Coma brings up a good point. Check that your nut has no burrs and that your string retainer is down far enough. If you pull the strings sharp when tightening down the lock pads, your retainer is too high.

Read and follow Rich Harris' (Ibanez Rules) Edge trem set up guide. Most all of it will apply to any floating trem.
 
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Also check and make sure the screws that hold the nut to the neck are tight (but don't strip them). If they are loose the nut moves when you use the trem but doesn't return to the same place, I tracked a floyd tuning problem to that one time. Also, posts are relatively cheap, as Aryton said, nothing wrong with the 1000 series if it is set up properly.

FWIW, the Gotoh is a great trem, but you shouldn't be having these issues with the one you have.
 
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Also check and make sure the screws that hold the nut to the neck are tight (but don't strip them).

Yes, check that too.

The number of Ibanez that have been damaged by overtightening the lock nut screws has to be in the tens of thousands. Snug people, just snug!

I so prefer the two wood screws over drilling thru a neck at the weakest point.
 
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That reminds me - how is the bottom part of the nut attached to the neck? Do the screws enter from the front or the back of the neck?
 
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It is top mounted. I tightened the nut but not much help. The problem is fairly even across the strings, somehow more marked in the middle two strings, I don't see any serious grooving inside the nut.

Thanks gentlemen, I did some final testing along your suggestions before taking it to another luthier, which will be now. I didn't do the lubing thing Aytron suggested though, I don't like palliative solutions in general, which I thought it was. But anyway, this other luthier is more a Floyd guy so he may know..
 
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Lubing the knife edges is standard operating procedure for floating floyds. In fact, it was Satriani’s tech who turned me onto using Chapstick
 
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Lubing the knife edges is standard operating procedure for floating floyds. In fact, it was Satriani’s tech who turned me onto using Chapstick

Yeah, that Joe guy can play a little bit using the whammy bar. Bet his tech is pretty solid too.
 
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