Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

Hey Guys,

I have read some old threads here of guitarists curious about our products yet has anyone in this forum tried one yet?

For those curious, here is some information of what this block does to improve your tone and playability:


Stone Tone Rock Blocks allow the artist to excel their tone to a whole new level while achieving a new awareness of tone and playability based on the natural attributes our Products offer.

Granite, when quarried in its natural state, also has a crystalline atomic structure which is ideal for sonic transference and has a compression strength of 19,000 psi, and a tension strength of 700 psi—the material these blocks are made of is the fourth densest on earth next to Diamond, Carbon and Quartz that has ideal resonant qualities which will decrease signal loss from your guitar to your amplifier by at least 30%. Utilizing this optimum material allows you to achieve maximum attack, clarity, sustain, note articulation, note separation, harmonics and punch. While the lows get tight and articulate, the harmonics scream effortlessly! Palm mutes, tapping, sweeps, you name it, all sounds so much better.

After the installation, your overall tone will be improved equally in all ranges of the fret board with a significant difference in sound and feel like you have a whole new guitar.

The extraordinary results of this upgrade are indisputable.

Our Blocks are compatible with the Floyd Rose Original Tremolo System and its derivatives, as well as many licensed models and comes with stainless steel sustain block mounting screws.

Upgrading your tremolo with a Stone Tone® Rock Block is the answer to those who want "That" tone they've been searching.

To hear the true potential of your pick ups, consider installing a Rock Block because the results are Guaranteed !

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It's really great to hear Chris Poland tell me he has finally achieved world class tone since he installed his 37mm Rock Block.
"I couldn't play without a Stone Tone Tremolo Block now that I've started using them. It's like icing on the cake".
-Chris Poland (Megadeth, Ohm)
 
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Your "post" is literally a reprint of the paragraph on your home page. Care to add anything new?

Also, where do I put the 75% off code? Those things are expensive!
 
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After the install I can really tell the difference already without having the guitar plugged in...
It's louder and much more resonant..

After using the Stone Tone Rock Blocks on tour with Arch Enemy my guitar tone is brighter, punchier with allot more sustain besides better signal to my amp.

My guitar sounds awesome !

Yeah man, I dig it.

- Jeff Loomis​
 
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Your "post" is literally a reprint of the paragraph on your home page. Care to add anything new?

Also, where do I put the 75% off code? Those things are expensive!

Yes, these posts are current to whats on the artist page of our website, and as far as the price, these blocks are all hand made in the USA and not moulded in a factory.. We do offer artist pricing for touring musicians for those interested can submit their bio etc. by email so we can further evaluate. If you browse our You Tube page you will get some what a idea of what this product does. The expense of approx. $120.00 of this block to give you what's described above is much less than the investment you have with all the other gear you have when this product will Guaranteed bring new light to your tone and the feel of your guitar once you install this Block. Otherwise, see our return policy which is the same as Floyd Rose. We are the only 2 companies that offer Stone Tone Products.
 
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You not gonna go anywhere with the "30% more" BS. Who came up with that?

Or do you have specific measurements to share?
 
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I admire the concept and appreciate the unique approach in materials, but any subjective "improvements" are clearly being over-hyped and the cost is utterly outrageous.

There's certainly nothing rare or expensive about the material and many "handmade" guitar accessories sell for less (straps, pickups, bridges, etc).

Furthermore, did I read correctly that these use soft lead inserts for the threads?

Also, are these made in the USA?
 
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I admire the concept and appreciate the unique approach in materials, but any subjective "improvements" are clearly being over-hyped and the cost is utterly outrageous.

There's certainly nothing rare or expensive about the material and many "handmade" guitar accessories sell for less (straps, pickups, bridges, etc).

Furthermore, did I read correctly that these use soft lead inserts for the threads?

Also, are these made in the USA?


(straps, pickups, bridges, etc). are no where near as complex as taking a raw pc of granite and making a tremolo block, and besides, you certainly are entitled to your opinion. there are 26 necessary steps to produce these blocks... From the get go, Floyd had the price set at $166.00.. That to me was way over priced as I expressed my concerns to the company and that is why they came down to $110.50.

I make the inserts, and they are made for granite. They consist of a mixture of soft alloy/lead for a good reason, so that you don't have to over-tighten to ensure a good bond that wont come loose especially for heavy bar players meaning the softer threads lock in better with a hand snug tightness which is all that's required to secure the installation.

Yes, they are manufactured 100% in Naples Florida U.S.A.

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Sounds intriguing, but at $120 for a trem block I think I'll just turn up 30%. I'm sure if Floyd Rose is actually endorsing it, it has some merits, but that's a lot of dough for working musicians to pay for a block, vs the cost of other blocks.














'Disclaimer....I did not research the current cost of trem replacement blocks nor did I visit the website for the product. I did spend an additional 30% of the time it took me to write this post thinking about it however.'
 
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Sounds intriguing, but at $120 for a trem block I think I'll just turn up 30%. I'm sure if Floyd Rose is actually endorsing it, it has some merits, but that's a lot of dough for working musicians to pay for a block, vs the cost of other blocks.

Leon, I understand your concern about the price but for what it does, you can't lose even if you we're the only one that didn't like it for any respected reason you would be the first.
From a engineers perspective, I'll post 2 quotes from players that build amps which 1 is very well known Globally, and the other is a locally known builder in California with a excellent reputation.
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I finally had the chance to gather my thoughts about the new Stone Tone block you sent me for my G&L. I've got a few rehearsals and real gigs behind me to get a feel for the guitar with this important change in place. I'm impressed and clearly other players who heard the guitar heard this as well.

For reference: I have owned my G&L Musical Instruments Legacy Strat style for about 15 years. I know it downright intimately as a result. It's been through a new paint job (or two), and two pickup swaps: The stock pickups were pretty low output and lifeless. The early G&L pickups were known to be like this. The later ones I understand are better. Despite that, the tone, balance and playability made the guitar a keeper and pickups are easy enough to change. First I installed Di Marzio Virtual noiseless pickups, which I used for about ten years. They were very good: quiet and healthy output but didn't "quack" like a Strat should and were quite a bit warmer than a true Strat tone really should be. Eventually I discovered my current Zexcoil Guitar Pickups. These are silent, can be tapped and remain silent, and sound excellent. I have to say, I was more than skeptical when you approached me with this idea for a stone block.

Like anything so radical and "different" I was leery of switching something as important as my trem block, but I've always been curious about it since a number of companies have clearly made some high profile businesses making blocks of various metals. When I received your block, the first thing that surprised me was how light the bridge assembly became ! The differences between the old steel (?) stock block and the stone block was pretty shocking ! I installed it and strung up the guitar with my go-to string the standard D'Addario Nickel 10-46 set.

The first thing that struck me was the much louder unplugged acoustic tone. It was clearly louder but also more focused and clear. [Like many, I believe the acoustic properties of an electric guitar clearly reflect how good that guitar will potentially be when amplified electrically.] The Stone Tone block did not disappoint. The better qualities that made this my "#1" S-style were still there: Plenty of long sustain, easy controlled feedback and note-ring plus the distinctive sound a good Strat should have, but there was certainly much more: The guitar was (for lack of a better description) more "hi-fi". It seemed to respond quicker to a pick attack. I think there might be maybe a shade less low end warmth than the old block, but the trade-off to an overall greater detail to my sound and a more clear harmonic structure and clarity are well worth that subtle shift.

There also seems to also be a clearly wider dynamic range when you pick lightly or more aggressively. Like a high quality amp, it certainly makes a player more aware of trying to be a better and more accurate player. Some guys need "forgiving" equipment to cover their sins. I prefer to try to improve my playing when my gear puts me under a microscope.

SO in conclusion: The quality of this block is not only excellent sonically but in terms of how well it's executed: As the son and grandson of German machinists I can appreciate quality machine work. The block displayed high quality accurate machining throughout, a super flat surface to contact the bridge plate, and the sides were polished professionally and smoothly. All the bridge hardware fit properly without issue.

I used copper braid, which I put under the collet that the tremolo arm goes into for attaching my ground to the wiring, since the block is non-conductive and you cannot use the trem claw to connect your ground any longer. This is a minor modification any good guitar tech should be able to do when installing the block. The block also doesn't have those recessed holes where a string end usually goes. Initially I thought this was odd, but actually realized it's more convenient when a string breaks than trying to fish out a stuck string ball !

Overall, I really am pleased with the block and recommend it as an excellent enhancement to anyone wanting to take their guitar up a notch in tone !! Kudo's Robert, well done.

"I wish it was easy to put the old block back and show the differences. All I know is "screw vintage" this block has made this the finest sounding Strat I own and that many ever heard".
- Andy Fuchs http://www.fuchsaudiotechnology.com
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OK, so I got the block into this Ti Floyd, put the guitar back together and set it up...

I'm gonna be honest here and say that as a scientific kinda guy (electrical engineer), I was pretty skeptical about the science behind this block and I really wanted to prove that it was just a way to get people's money. Obviously, I have no relationship with the company whatsoever...

Well... regardless of the actual science, the bottom line is that my subjective opinion after playing with and without plugging in for awhile is that this block has made the MOST significant change to my guitar than a block of any other kind, and I've had the big brass ones and the Ti ones. Without plugging in, the whole guitar vibrates in your hands so strongly when you strike a chord, it is almost disturbing. The body does the same thing under your right arm. It feels like it's ALIVE or something... Based on my testing, both chords and single notes sustain MUCH longer than with the previous Ti block. And remember, I'm testing a 42mm Ti block against a 32mm Stone block. The Ti one is way longer and heavier. When I plugged in, the guitar sustained much longer as well and it sounds "throatier" for lack of a better word.

I have no idea how this is going to translate to a recording. Truthfully, I expect the difference will not seem like much, but I'm going to play the same exact things as the previous clip and record them the same exact way to see. One thing that is undeniable is that the guitar FEELS much different - the vibrations of the strings through the body and neck are unbelievably stronger. I dig that feeling a lot, but it's weird at first. I compared it to my white relic strat guitar that has a big brass block and it is night and day - the feel of the vibrations with Stone block are way stronger and the guitar felt exactly like the white relic strat with the Ti block.

The guitar is louder in two ways:

1.) Acoustcally. Sitting in the room, the guitar is way louder with this block than the Ti block when it is not plugged in. It is louder than my guitar that has the big brass block as well.

2.) Electrically. When the guitar is plugged in, with the amp settings the same, the output of the amp is louder. When I mic'd the tracks into my DAW, you could see the waveforms were larger and the tracks hit higher on the meter with the Stone block and NO changes to the amp settings or anything else at all. When I was mixing, in order to match the output volume of the previous clip, I had to bring the faders down a significant amount on the newly recorded tracks with the Stone block.

So, because the guitar is louder acoustically with the Stone block, the pickups are generating more output, driving the amp harder (more input to the amp), resulting in more volume output from the amp for the same settings. More input to the mic, mic pre and tracks with no changes to the settings on the amp. So, yeah, more guitar volume output to the amp...

BTW - When I was mixing this on both the heavy and the clean I had to bring the faders down a couple dbs on the tracks to match the volume on the original titanium block clips. So the guitar definitely gets louder with the Stone block... The clean sounds "chimey-er" to me as well.

Based on my testing, I'd say that for sure it makes the guitar louder acoustically and louder through the amp and it makes the guitar body and neck vibrate like crazy compared to a Ti or Big Brass block. The enhanced vibration makes the guitar feel really alive and is really cool once you get used to it. It also sustains better for sure in my guitar. It sounds throatier and chimier than a Ti block - For me it is definitely worth $35-40 more than a Ti block...

- Steve Henning https://henningamps.com
 
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The 30% BS you are referring to is from the press release that Floyd Rose wrote & posted on their website here > http://www.floydrose.com/news/floyd-rose-distributes-stone-tone-rock-blocks once they welcomed Stone Tone into their product lines after 2 yrs of evaluating the Rock Blocks with several artists, studio recordings and scientific findings.

That doesn't change how ridiculous that is to say, especially since "signal" here is completely undefined.

FWIW if you have identical guitar with a floyd and a through-body hardtail you probably have 30% more electrical output because of the lack of a bass drop when the trem isn't there, and because the lower frequencies carry so much energy, compared to how loud they appear to the ear. That doesn't make it 30% louder in practice, much less 30% "better".

I'm very disappointed that the Floyd people went with this voodoo speech.
 
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I don't see how the cost can be compared to something mass machine produced like straps and picks. It's new and exciting so it's going to be jacked up, but unless you're digging the material out of your own yard, you're buying it from a vendor who has their own profitability to worry about, and everyone who put a hand on it between the quarry and the customer tacked on their percentage, so yeah, it's high-priced, just like everything else. I suppose if you live in The Granite State, local naturally occurring granite products are cheaper, just like how seafood in New Orleans is cheaper than in Nashville.
 
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That doesn't change how ridiculous that is to say, especially since "signal" here is completely undefined.

FWIW if you have identical guitar with a floyd and a through-body hardtail you probably have 30% more electrical output because of the lack of a bass drop when the trem isn't there, and because the lower frequencies carry so much energy, compared to how loud they appear to the ear. That doesn't make it 30% louder in practice, much less 30% "better".

I'm very disappointed that the Floyd people went with this voodoo speech.

Ahh, but he didn't say 30% louder, he said 30% less signal loss. So if you're getting 0 signal loss because you're using a guitar with no controls and gold-plated output jack and gold-plated 3" patch cables to the front of the amp, you'll experience 30% less signal degradation between the guitar and the amp.
 
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First, this product is already a few years old. I'm pretty certain I remember threads about it here close to 3 years ago or so.

Second, granite is the most common rock on the planet. Not exactly hard to find, regardless of where you are, and extremely easy to source, even if you somehow manage to find yourself in a granite-deprived void under the sea.

Third, if I were the OP, I'd probably have relationships with a few granite slab suppliers and local home re-modelers where I could regularly get my hands on nice granite scraps and trimmings for a very low cost or even free in some cases.

Lastly, I was clearly comparing this to the "handmade" versions of those popular products (straps, pickups, etc). For the same price as this sustain block, I can get an entire bridge system from a few of the industry's independent innovators. Heck, I can have 2 custom pickups handwound to my specs for the same expense. Which do you think is most likely to make a 30% difference to my sound? ;)

Just sayin'...

$60 granite sustain block? Sold!

$120 granite sustain block? Fugheddaboudit!
 
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After a great dinner and ending this day I will ask all of you that seem to be knowledgable of what works and what doesn't, do you have any data you can base your "opinions" on? I have all the data you can read through my patents if you like.. for instance, what is the difference in the specific gravity of granite vs metal and why? I am surely not here to argue yet the comment about the Blocks not decreasing signal loss by 30% is absolute fact for many reasons, and to personally validate that claim you would just need to try one. It's that Simple.. You can be certain of this, Floyd Rose, the scientists I myself and Floyds worked with has given clear and concise clarification besides the many National artists as well and the hundreds of local and working musicians using the Blocks to date haven't had a single complaint. Rig talk, which many of you are familiar... Those folks went berserk about the blocks .. lol which I call the "snake oil rant" until guess what.. Their friend Steve Henning bought one and then posted the Quote I just posted above. My point here is that if you disagree thats fine no ones making you buy one but until you hear your buddy rip one then you'll realize.. I can tell you the only price discount is Artist Pricing that's for eligible artists that play regularly or tour year round which may constitute full support meaning FREE. The $110.50 price point is a Floyd Rose doing being I gave them full exclusivity, They're our global Distributor and they establish the price point based on what I sell it to them for. I think I made clear of the certain attributes of the blocks. So if anyone wants to discuss, ask questions I'm all about that, but insults, jabs and the like.. don't expect me to respond since we are very busy here with many other styles a blocks besides the Floyd Rose Lines and don't have time to bicker with folks who want to rant on baseless facts..
 
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Third, if I were the OP, I'd probably have relationships with a few granite slab suppliers and local home re-modelers where I could regularly get my hands on nice granite scraps and trimmings for a very low cost or even free in some cases.


"Hey, mr Home Remodeler/Granite Countertop smith, can I have some of those granite scraps from your work for free so I can turn them into a sellable product?"
"Umm, how about 'No' but I'll sell them to you."

So let's assume you actually buy your granite from a supplier in raw form. It's got to be ground and polished, which costs money. Then it's got to be drilled with relative precision for the application, which costs money. Bad parts can't be filled and redrilled, so paying to have work done improperly is a loss, and if you've done it yourself, you don't get a refund. Then there's paying people (including yourself) a liveable wage unless you want to be a total doosh, which costs money. Then there's the tools to do the work, which cost money. You can either pay a bunch of money up front for good tools, or pay a little money repeatedly and frequently which averages out to be the same as or more than what you'd spend on good tools. Then you've got other business expenses which cost money.

Here's a nice slab of granite for ~$40:
http://www.travers.com/black-granit...4prY8VA_8EetjHF7fGgRheTScuBm4u2s5IaAvNq8P8HAQ

It's 9" x 12" x 2" thick, so let's assume this can be cut into roughly 3" lengths by roughly 2" tall by 1" thick for said spring blocks. That's roughly 8 blocks out of one slab, and at an average of $120 each, you're looking at almost $1,000 in spring blocks.
Your initial outlay of $40 PLUS shipping (a 25 pound slab ain't gonna be free to ship) and based on a guitar of a similar weight that does not trip the oversized charge, let's say it's $20 via UPS, which is conservative, so $60 total for this one slab. You're looking at a profit of $940 if you sell that $1,000 worth of blocks in the same month you bought the block. If you only sell that many in one month, you aren't doing well at all.
Then there are saw blades for cutting granite, saws for those blades, drill bits and drills to drill the holes. While the machinery itself is not a monthly expense, the blades and bits may be, and let's see what those sell for:
A quick Google shows a range from $20-$100, depending on dealer and quality. Since quality costs more, it's probably going to last longer, so maybe a couple of months, depending on daily use.
Drill bits for granite look to run about $25 each.
So around $50-$150 for a single saw blade and drill bit, which means one person has tools to work with how many blocks in a day/week/month? If it's a one-man operation, fine, but if you have employees, it's not fine.

A one-man operation has as much right to make as much money off each sale as Exxon does each gallon of gas at the pump.
 
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Also, who cares how smooth the surface is once it's inside the axe?
 
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