54stratlover
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
Awesome Thread !!!
Awesome Thread !!!
For Slash fans.....long post.
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rinse_master
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
Nice, interesting (but long) read, thanks
Nice, interesting (but long) read, thanks
ledzepp29
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
I'll copy and paste what the guy wrote in the thread from the LPF
Tim Caswell modded Marshall (Slash, Appetite for Destruction related topic continued)
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You might recall my recent posting on this topic - if not, check it out, so that the rest of this posting makes sense:
http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=86985
A couple of recent developments that have occurred since my last posting:
First of all, I was lucky enought to track down Tim Caswell's friend Bryan (Tim considers the modification he performed on Bryan's ’70s Mark II PCB model Marshall head to be his personal favorite - see my previous posting).
In order to make ends meet, Bryan was playing country music (of all things), in Las Vegas (of all places). To make a long story short, since Bryan had no use for the Marshall anymore, and, frankly, could use the cash, he reluctantly agreed to sell it to me for $1,200. As a friend of Tim and a huge fan of George Lynch (I could tell from our conversations), it was obvious that Bryan had a hard time letting the amp go, but as we all know, money talks.
When I received the amp, and opened the box, I was (initially) extremely disappointed by the cosmetic condition of the amp. It looked (and even smelled) like someone had used it as both an ash tray and a stepping stool for a urinal in a public restroom for about a decade, and then threw it off the back of a speeding pickup truck. Literally. (By the way, all this stuff was due to wear and tear by Bryan over the years - Tim's mod is actually extremely low-profile and neat in appearance - the one toggle switch is the only external noticeable difference...)
In the box, Bryan included two new (apparently unmatched) EL34's (he only ever ran the amp at 50W), and a new set of four pre-amp tubes. Yes, that's right, *four* pre-amp tubes. Part of Tim's mod is the addition of a fourth pre-amp tube where one never existed before.
So, I put the tubes in, and went down to the basement and plugged the Marshall into a stock '87 Silver Jubilee 4x12 cabinet. I flicked the mod's toggle switch into (what I believed was) the "on" position. With my trusty #1 Lester on my knee, I let an open A chord ring out.
The result was stock, ho-hum, late-'70s Marshall tone - nothing exceptional or unique by any standard. In that instant, I was absolutely crestfallen. As the A chord continued to ring out, I flicked the toggle switch to the other position, just to make sure I actually had the mod "on"...
And then Tim's mod kicked in!
It's hard to use words to actually describe the next few minutes of playing that took place between me and this Marshall. "Revelation," "extasy," and "giddy" come to mind...
I can't even begin to describe the tone of this amp. It's like trying to describe the color "blue" to someone who has only seen "red" and "yellow" in his life. I *will* say that I've never heard anything like it, in person, in my life, ever. And seriously, I've owned, and played through, many Marshalls over the years.
Have you ever taken a couple of prescription painkillers (pursuant to a legitimate medical condition and doctor's prescription, of course) and, a few minutes later, felt that tingling pleasure melt through your body? That's literally how I feel when I play this amp. There's this sensation in the center of my back between my shoulder blades, and it just resonates from there, giving pleasure to my body and soul.
I'll copy and paste what the guy wrote in the thread from the LPF
Tim Caswell modded Marshall (Slash, Appetite for Destruction related topic continued)
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You might recall my recent posting on this topic - if not, check it out, so that the rest of this posting makes sense:
http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=86985
A couple of recent developments that have occurred since my last posting:
First of all, I was lucky enought to track down Tim Caswell's friend Bryan (Tim considers the modification he performed on Bryan's ’70s Mark II PCB model Marshall head to be his personal favorite - see my previous posting).
In order to make ends meet, Bryan was playing country music (of all things), in Las Vegas (of all places). To make a long story short, since Bryan had no use for the Marshall anymore, and, frankly, could use the cash, he reluctantly agreed to sell it to me for $1,200. As a friend of Tim and a huge fan of George Lynch (I could tell from our conversations), it was obvious that Bryan had a hard time letting the amp go, but as we all know, money talks.
When I received the amp, and opened the box, I was (initially) extremely disappointed by the cosmetic condition of the amp. It looked (and even smelled) like someone had used it as both an ash tray and a stepping stool for a urinal in a public restroom for about a decade, and then threw it off the back of a speeding pickup truck. Literally. (By the way, all this stuff was due to wear and tear by Bryan over the years - Tim's mod is actually extremely low-profile and neat in appearance - the one toggle switch is the only external noticeable difference...)
In the box, Bryan included two new (apparently unmatched) EL34's (he only ever ran the amp at 50W), and a new set of four pre-amp tubes. Yes, that's right, *four* pre-amp tubes. Part of Tim's mod is the addition of a fourth pre-amp tube where one never existed before.
So, I put the tubes in, and went down to the basement and plugged the Marshall into a stock '87 Silver Jubilee 4x12 cabinet. I flicked the mod's toggle switch into (what I believed was) the "on" position. With my trusty #1 Lester on my knee, I let an open A chord ring out.
The result was stock, ho-hum, late-'70s Marshall tone - nothing exceptional or unique by any standard. In that instant, I was absolutely crestfallen. As the A chord continued to ring out, I flicked the toggle switch to the other position, just to make sure I actually had the mod "on"...
And then Tim's mod kicked in!
It's hard to use words to actually describe the next few minutes of playing that took place between me and this Marshall. "Revelation," "extasy," and "giddy" come to mind...
I can't even begin to describe the tone of this amp. It's like trying to describe the color "blue" to someone who has only seen "red" and "yellow" in his life. I *will* say that I've never heard anything like it, in person, in my life, ever. And seriously, I've owned, and played through, many Marshalls over the years.
Have you ever taken a couple of prescription painkillers (pursuant to a legitimate medical condition and doctor's prescription, of course) and, a few minutes later, felt that tingling pleasure melt through your body? That's literally how I feel when I play this amp. There's this sensation in the center of my back between my shoulder blades, and it just resonates from there, giving pleasure to my body and soul.
ledzepp29
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
I would describe the tone as "lush," with incredible depth and character. It's so hard to put into words - any words. It's not "death-metal gainy," and on the other hand, not the traditional "warm and bluesy" - the two opposite ends of the sonic spectrum that people sometimes refer to. It's something completely different - and yet, in a way, both of those - it's got a character on another entirely different dimension that I don't even know how to begin to put a finger on.
One of the things that simply blows me away is the way this amp lets you use pinch harmonics. UN-F'ING-BELIEVEABLE harmonics, at your fingertips, effortlessly, when you want them. Gibbons would s*** himself - swear to God. It's almost like playing through a completely different type of instrument. And it's a different sounding harmonic than the '80s-hair-band-superstrat harmonic you're thinking of right now - hard to explain... At the same time, there's no hissing, whistling, static, or howling when you're not hitting a note - or when you're not going for a pinch harmonic - it's dead quiet. These are exactly the types of elusive harmonics you hear Slash using all over Appetite. Anway... the harmonics are just *part* of the picture here...
I am more convinced now than ever that Tim's modded S.I.R. #39 is the amp that Slash used for his lead/solo work on Appetite. Perhaps the best way I can describe the tone of this amp is for you to put Appetite in your CD player, skip to Nightrain, and fast-forward to exactly 3 minutes. The final one minute and 20 seconds or so of Slash's Nightrain lead work simply epitomize the tone of this amp, in my opinion, much better than than I can describe it in words.
You might be wondering, why the hell does MisterMiniMite keep pushing and obsessiong over this Caswell mod? Does he have some sort of referall-fee deal with Tim or something?
The answer is: absolutely not. In fact, I've just spend $1,200 on an amp that, cosmetically, looks like it belongs in a junkyard (I've really learned that looks are deceiving!), and another $450 to have Tim similarly mod my '84 Marshall 4010 1x12 50W combo (should hopefully be coming back to me soon). There's no conflict of interest here. It's all about the truth for me - always has been. And tone - the Appetite tone I've been after for years and years. I couldn't care less about anything else. That's why I've put all this time, effort, and, now, money, into this subject.
Frankly, even *if* Tim offered me a price discount for singing his praises here on the LPF (he hasn't - the topic of a price discount never even came up), I wouldn't want that. Financially speaking, I don't need it. Besides, in my opinion, it's a real crime that Tim hasn't been given any credit for this subject over the years. I mean, I honestly, 1,000,000% believe that this guy modified Slash's Appetite amp! The way I looked at it, my $450 for the mod to my 4010 was the least I could do for all the years of pleasure his amp's tone has given me - via Appetite (or at least, that's my belief, and I think it's well founded!).
Something else I figured I'd include. Here are a couple of related excerpts from some old guitar magazines - interviews with George Lynch and Slash. There are others out there, but here are a couple of really good ones:
I would describe the tone as "lush," with incredible depth and character. It's so hard to put into words - any words. It's not "death-metal gainy," and on the other hand, not the traditional "warm and bluesy" - the two opposite ends of the sonic spectrum that people sometimes refer to. It's something completely different - and yet, in a way, both of those - it's got a character on another entirely different dimension that I don't even know how to begin to put a finger on.
One of the things that simply blows me away is the way this amp lets you use pinch harmonics. UN-F'ING-BELIEVEABLE harmonics, at your fingertips, effortlessly, when you want them. Gibbons would s*** himself - swear to God. It's almost like playing through a completely different type of instrument. And it's a different sounding harmonic than the '80s-hair-band-superstrat harmonic you're thinking of right now - hard to explain... At the same time, there's no hissing, whistling, static, or howling when you're not hitting a note - or when you're not going for a pinch harmonic - it's dead quiet. These are exactly the types of elusive harmonics you hear Slash using all over Appetite. Anway... the harmonics are just *part* of the picture here...
I am more convinced now than ever that Tim's modded S.I.R. #39 is the amp that Slash used for his lead/solo work on Appetite. Perhaps the best way I can describe the tone of this amp is for you to put Appetite in your CD player, skip to Nightrain, and fast-forward to exactly 3 minutes. The final one minute and 20 seconds or so of Slash's Nightrain lead work simply epitomize the tone of this amp, in my opinion, much better than than I can describe it in words.
You might be wondering, why the hell does MisterMiniMite keep pushing and obsessiong over this Caswell mod? Does he have some sort of referall-fee deal with Tim or something?
The answer is: absolutely not. In fact, I've just spend $1,200 on an amp that, cosmetically, looks like it belongs in a junkyard (I've really learned that looks are deceiving!), and another $450 to have Tim similarly mod my '84 Marshall 4010 1x12 50W combo (should hopefully be coming back to me soon). There's no conflict of interest here. It's all about the truth for me - always has been. And tone - the Appetite tone I've been after for years and years. I couldn't care less about anything else. That's why I've put all this time, effort, and, now, money, into this subject.
Frankly, even *if* Tim offered me a price discount for singing his praises here on the LPF (he hasn't - the topic of a price discount never even came up), I wouldn't want that. Financially speaking, I don't need it. Besides, in my opinion, it's a real crime that Tim hasn't been given any credit for this subject over the years. I mean, I honestly, 1,000,000% believe that this guy modified Slash's Appetite amp! The way I looked at it, my $450 for the mod to my 4010 was the least I could do for all the years of pleasure his amp's tone has given me - via Appetite (or at least, that's my belief, and I think it's well founded!).
Something else I figured I'd include. Here are a couple of related excerpts from some old guitar magazines - interviews with George Lynch and Slash. There are others out there, but here are a couple of really good ones:
ledzepp29
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
(1) Guitar For the Practicing Musician, April 1987 (George Lynch inverview):
"For the first album I used old Marshalls, which I'd used for years. Then I tried the Randalls and was happy with them for a while. Then I went to Laney and back to Marshall. I was using Lee Jackson Metaltronics, which is what Vai is using. I also used the Jose modified Marshalls for a while. Now I'm using Tim Caswell modified Marshalls. What happened was that I went into S.I.R. and rented an amp. It sounded amazing. It was the perfect amp. You just plug in and it was all there. I went to the guy and said I've got to have this amp. It got to the point where they were calling the owner of S.I.R., who was on vacation, and I was offering him three Marshall heads in trade or $2,000, whatever they wanted. They wouldn't sell it. They said it was their number one amp. Everybody who came in requested it. I ended up renting it for the whole Twisted Sister tour, which cost me about $2,000. Eventually I had to give it back. I had all kinds of schemes in mind. I thought I'd take all the guts out of the brain and put in different guts. I couldn't do that. Eventually one of the repairmen told me the guy's name who did the modification. I called the guy and he did one for me. Now he's done six for me. He is amazing."
(2) Guitar Magazine, April 1992 (Slash interview):
"I had one when I did Appetite, which was great. I stole it from S.I.R., and when we were rehearsing at S.I.R. after the record came out, my idiot roadie at the time brought that amp down by mistake, and they took it back. When we went back into the studio a couple years later, I had to find the ultimate amp again..."
heres a thread with the pic of the amp
I finally got around to taking some pictures this morning.
http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/...132_p41433.jpeg
Note the four pre-amp tubes. The pre-amp tube furthest to the left is obviously the one added for the Caswell mod.
There are two toggle switches. The top toggle switch is the Caswell signature (S.I.R. #39) mod; the bottom toggle switch is another mod that Tim did on this amp - a mild gain-boost mod (the one referred to by Tim as the "stage one" mod).
(1) Guitar For the Practicing Musician, April 1987 (George Lynch inverview):
"For the first album I used old Marshalls, which I'd used for years. Then I tried the Randalls and was happy with them for a while. Then I went to Laney and back to Marshall. I was using Lee Jackson Metaltronics, which is what Vai is using. I also used the Jose modified Marshalls for a while. Now I'm using Tim Caswell modified Marshalls. What happened was that I went into S.I.R. and rented an amp. It sounded amazing. It was the perfect amp. You just plug in and it was all there. I went to the guy and said I've got to have this amp. It got to the point where they were calling the owner of S.I.R., who was on vacation, and I was offering him three Marshall heads in trade or $2,000, whatever they wanted. They wouldn't sell it. They said it was their number one amp. Everybody who came in requested it. I ended up renting it for the whole Twisted Sister tour, which cost me about $2,000. Eventually I had to give it back. I had all kinds of schemes in mind. I thought I'd take all the guts out of the brain and put in different guts. I couldn't do that. Eventually one of the repairmen told me the guy's name who did the modification. I called the guy and he did one for me. Now he's done six for me. He is amazing."
(2) Guitar Magazine, April 1992 (Slash interview):
"I had one when I did Appetite, which was great. I stole it from S.I.R., and when we were rehearsing at S.I.R. after the record came out, my idiot roadie at the time brought that amp down by mistake, and they took it back. When we went back into the studio a couple years later, I had to find the ultimate amp again..."
Looks like thats the same Bryan that the guy in the above got his amp from, according to Tim it was the best one!screamingdaisy said:
heres a thread with the pic of the amp
I finally got around to taking some pictures this morning.
http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/...132_p41433.jpeg
Note the four pre-amp tubes. The pre-amp tube furthest to the left is obviously the one added for the Caswell mod.
There are two toggle switches. The top toggle switch is the Caswell signature (S.I.R. #39) mod; the bottom toggle switch is another mod that Tim did on this amp - a mild gain-boost mod (the one referred to by Tim as the "stage one" mod).
That90'sGuy
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
Wow... so I'm sure everybody's thinking the same thing here... where do we find this Tim Caswell gent and what models does he prefer to mod?
Wow... so I'm sure everybody's thinking the same thing here... where do we find this Tim Caswell gent and what models does he prefer to mod?
Jag513
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
^ www.studioelectronics.com
He mods Marshalls, including but not limited to, all 1959's, 1959Ts, JCM800s (50W or 100W), Master Volume or Non-Master Volume, PTP or PCB, as long as it doesn't have channel switching.
^ www.studioelectronics.com
He mods Marshalls, including but not limited to, all 1959's, 1959Ts, JCM800s (50W or 100W), Master Volume or Non-Master Volume, PTP or PCB, as long as it doesn't have channel switching.
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theodie
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I wonder which model will the best price wise to get that exact tone? I wonder if the cheaper 800 will be the way to go or getting the 1959.
I wonder which model will the best price wise to get that exact tone? I wonder if the cheaper 800 will be the way to go or getting the 1959.
joelap
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
Threads like this make my life.
People like this guy are doing for a living what I am spending 30 grand a year to go to school to someday be able to do.
I've read every word, and opened my notebook on amp/pedal mods and devoted an entire page to this thread.
Threads like this make my life.
People like this guy are doing for a living what I am spending 30 grand a year to go to school to someday be able to do.
I've read every word, and opened my notebook on amp/pedal mods and devoted an entire page to this thread.
joelap
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
one final note: Given the fact that the Appetite tone has been established as being Tim's work, what is the connection then between Slash and the Silver Jubilee? I'm assuming these were his live amps then... but how close do they come to the Caswell sound?
one final note: Given the fact that the Appetite tone has been established as being Tim's work, what is the connection then between Slash and the Silver Jubilee? I'm assuming these were his live amps then... but how close do they come to the Caswell sound?
deftgala
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HEy, Daisy... thanks for the interesting info... sounds like this amp is like, a gift from Above, if you know what I mean... reading this thread was like watching the movie Crossroads (with Ralph Machino). Only you aren't on search for a lost recording of Robert Johnson, you are on the search for THE "Appitite" tone amp...
you got my vote, dude!
HEy, Daisy... thanks for the interesting info... sounds like this amp is like, a gift from Above, if you know what I mean... reading this thread was like watching the movie Crossroads (with Ralph Machino). Only you aren't on search for a lost recording of Robert Johnson, you are on the search for THE "Appitite" tone amp...
you got my vote, dude!
Metalman_666
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Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
This is quite the story! And as others have said that must've been one hell of an amp to impress Slash and Lynch as much as it did. And Tim Caswell must do one hell of a mod!! Too bad I'm a broke teenager lol.
THIS IS VAULT MATERIAL!
This is quite the story! And as others have said that must've been one hell of an amp to impress Slash and Lynch as much as it did. And Tim Caswell must do one hell of a mod!! Too bad I'm a broke teenager lol.
THIS IS VAULT MATERIAL!
Nite_Maresz_25
on Elm Streetologist
Re: For Slash fans.....long post.
Thanks ledzep for another great read! The pictures link doesnt work for me either.
Thanks ledzep for another great read! The pictures link doesnt work for me either.
Nite_Maresz_25
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Hell yes it is!!!Metalman_666 said:
