Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

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LtKojak

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Hi Forumites,

I've got myself some big shoes to fill, taking it from where DarkMatter left off, and even though it's a dirty job, somebody's gotta do it, so it can as well be me, so help me Deity to get this one home.

And to do that, of course I need all the help I can get from all of you, good, p'up-loving people of the SDUGF.

So, without further ado, let's get this show on the road, shall we?

Now, please, spread the work to all your guitar player friends, as everybody that's a member gets to vote, so this is a good time to get your membership done. The more, the merrier!

Having said that, let's get to the upcoming process:

We left off with the basis of create a neck p'up to tone- and output-wise be the missing companion of another "bro-made" p'up that made it to became a production p'up: our own Bach2Rock's love child, the '59/Custom Hybrid".

So, as a group, we'll to decide on the following, which has two aspects to consider: the "tone-footprint" factor and the "form follow function" factor.

::::: First part: "Form Follow Function":::::

we get to decide if the Hy-Bro Neck should have conventional screw/slug design, or what I had in mind, a screw/screw design, which configuration adds significant tweakability, and at the same time addressing some pet peeves of mine. That's my pitch:

A. the possibility to compensate the inherent output imbalance of the different strings due to radius, steel mass, etc. present in every string set with a plain G-string (no puns, please) in both harmonic nodes at the same time.

B. Also, raising and lowering the screws can accentuate or lessen the match/mismatch of the coils without having to alter the p'up distance from the strings, hence not messing with the painstakingly found "sweet spot".

C. You can change the basic tonal-footprint by just reversing the p'up. What about that, uh?

D. You can change the p'ups voicing even more by changing the screws, with a different alloy and/or a from the head form factor (filister head/hex head), allowing to tweak up to the single string, and all without ever have the need to take out the p'up to mod!

As *I* see it, what's not to like of the added flexibility?

Just think about it for a moment. That's all I ask! ;)

::::: Now the second part: the "Tone-Footprint Factor":::::

We get to decide if the "Hy-Bro" should be based on matched/mismatched coils from existing designs, like a neck '59/Jazz or whatever coils you can think of, based on past member's or own experiences, or creating a whole new p'up from scratch, giving the Custom Shop the burden of the new p'up's R&D.

If we get to decide about the voicing, that's my pitch:

In the lows you should be clearly hearing the "sound of the wood", just without the big "thunk" present on the '59n; plenty of definiton on the mids, with a sharp but not overbearing pick attack a la Jazz neck, with plenty of "air" and "chime" when the presence control on the amp is engaged. With this voicing, just by using the tone control you can play modern Jazz without losing articulation or definition with complex chords, rolling the tone control down, and at the same time to cut through the mix with soaring leads or complex riffing with a fair amount of gain, never losing he required definion and/or articulation with the tone control full-up.

This should give kinda "universal appeal", as you can play just about any kind of music with'em, just by tweakings magnets. I can imagine this neck p'up will sound great with A2, A3, A4 and a short A5, depending on musical context.

People, let me know what you think. All motivated opinions are more than welcome.

I'll set the voting polls up saturday.

That's all I got for now.

Stay tuned!

Yours very truly,
 
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

As I've never been interested in the Custom, I've never thought to look into the existing '59/Custom Hybrid. What are it's strong points, unique characteristics and why would I want a neck version of this pickup? If the idea is to create a neck version of the '59/Custom Hybrid, isn't that enough of a instruction for the Custom Shop all by itself?
 
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LtK, how do you feel about my prior suggestion of basing it on the existing '59 neck and creating a new neck Custom coil to match with it? This would also inherently create a new Custom series neck pickup, so it's a lot of bang for your buck.
 
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As I've never been interested in the Custom, I've never thought to look into the existing '59/Custom Hybrid. What are it's strong points, unique characteristics and why would I want a neck version of this pickup? If the idea is to create a neck version of the '59/Custom Hybrid, isn't that enough of a instruction for the Custom Shop all by itself?
I think the point is that not all bridge pickups have exact neck counterparts, and thus have other pickups matched to them, so I think the question is: Do we create a new Custom to hybridize with a neck '59 or do we just create an altogether new pickup that tonally matches the bridge '59/C?

And for the record, '59/C in an maple boarded alder HSS Strat with a Floyd Rose (and me playing it) ["amp" an AxeFX run as a Marshall Plexi run into a modern 4x12 with a TS-type overdrive in front of it]:

 
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I just noticed on SD's '59/Custom page http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/medium-output/sh16_59_custom/ they say "complete setup: Use in the bridge position with any vintage-output neck humbucker, such as the '59n or the Alnico II Pro." so it sound like SD already has an opinion to contrast with as to what pairs well in the neck. I'm surprised why suggest pairing an A5 bridge with "crisp" highs with A2P neck, that seems counter intuitive.

Also they also say on that page "guitars: For any well-balanced dual-humbucker guitar", I wonder why they recommend it for HH guitars specifically.
 
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

LtK, how do you feel about my prior suggestion of basing it on the existing '59 neck and creating a new neck Custom coil to match with it? This would also inherently create a new Custom series neck pickup, so it's a lot of bang for your buck.

I'd be interested in a calibrated neck companion to the SH-5 Custom :)
 
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I just noticed on SD's '59/Custom page http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/medium-output/sh16_59_custom/ they say "complete setup: Use in the bridge position with any vintage-output neck humbucker, such as the '59n or the Alnico II Pro." so it sound like SD already has an opinion to contrast with as to what pairs well in the neck. I'm surprised why suggest pairing an A5 bridge with "crisp" highs with A2P neck, that seems counter intuitive.

Also they also say on that page "guitars: For any well-balanced dual-humbucker guitar", I wonder why they recommend it for HH guitars specifically.

You should really know by now that the magnet is only a small part of the equation, the wind is by far the most strong tone-shaping individual component.

And they have an opinion to pair it with an existing pickup because 1. it is better to have a suggestion rather than not....2. they can't pair it with potentially a better suited humbucker that has yet to be invented, so they choose something already available.
 
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Not down at all with the double screw idea, I dont like what the double screws do to the pick attack. It makes it too soft particularly on the bass strings. I can reverse the pickup double screws or not so thats not an advantage.

in my view the double screw format takes it away from the intended target of being a neck version of the 59/C, The hybro idea would be better as its own set not as a companion pickup.
 
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i dont know if this is something im interested in, but i agree that double screws in the neck probably isnt a good idea. i like it in the bridge but not in the neck
 
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

Also down-voting double screw coils. Haven't liked them in the neck or bridge in the past.
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Austin
 
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

Lt. how would a 59/Pearly sound? also how would it pair with a 59/Custom?
 
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Another down vote for double screws in the neck.

Up vote for a neck pickup with conventional screw/slug design that would be the neck companion to a 59/Custom, and it seems to me that it might also fit the bill for the match to a SH5. After all, the Jazz neck does get boring sometimes.
 
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

Design a sound guys. Forget hybrids and appearance for the moment.
 
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

Design a sound guys. Forget hybrids and appearance for the moment.
Well, what I like about the bridge hybrid is the bright edge with nice midrange that the mismatched coils give you. I'd hope for that nice bright edge in a neck pickup without sounding thin or boomy.

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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015

How about making it a SH-6n/Screaming Demon hybrid? The coils would be mismatched but on the hot side. You could make it double screw, or better yet, screw/hex like the Demon. I have heard lots of good comments on the Demon in the neck position, and I myself love the SH-6n, though I did put an A4 in mine. I would say that stock, this pickup should come with a UOA5 though.
 
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As I've never been interested in the Custom, I've never thought to look into the existing '59/Custom Hybrid.
Have you ever tried any member of the Custom family? I got a Custom 5 in April 2008 to pair up a Jazz bridge on the neck, but it really clicked for me when I got my favorite p'up combo: an A4-modded '59n in the neck and an A8 in the Custom. I could find no better match to play the kind of music I played at that time (British Blues and '70s Rock).

If the idea is to create a neck version of the '59/Custom Hybrid, isn't that enough of a instruction for the Custom Shop all by itself?
Yes and no. If the Custom Shop is to do something for the Forum, it'll be great to show what the forumites want in the first place, so the required nuances can be built-in.
 
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Not down at all with the double screw idea, I dont like what the double screws do to the pick attack.
As all the years I've spent experimenting with different alloys in screws, slugs and even bar keepers, my own experience doesn't quite match your statement, so now I'm curious: what exactly did you try to come to your conclusion? You're welcome to PM me, if you so want.

in my view the double screw format takes it away from the intended target of being a neck version of the 59/C, The hybro idea would be better as its own set not as a companion pickup.
With this I can agree, and one of the things I thought of putting to vote was exactly that: having the "Hy-Bro" as a set. I've envisioned as a twelve-screw set, but hey, if that's not what people want, I'm just an army of one... ;)
 
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