Gibson Last straw...

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The biggest joke is Brazilian Rosewood fretboards.

If you upgrade your warmoth order from normal Rosewood to Brazilian you pay $30.

In a Gibson it bumps up the price $1500.

Yes, this is purely customer driven but Gibson also deliberately creates these rare samples.

Hmmm, why don't I order a Warmoth now? ...
 
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Oh my, you're right!!!!

Putting crappy pots and jacks is going to help Gibson take over the world!!!

I guess I'd better stock up on supplies and ammo. :smack:
 
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The biggest joke is Brazilian Rosewood fretboards.

If you upgrade your warmoth order from normal Rosewood to Brazilian you pay $30.

In a Gibson it bumps up the price $1500.

Yes, this is purely customer driven but Gibson also deliberately creates these rare samples.

Hmmm, why don't I order a Warmoth now? ...

Gibson has a model that you can pick between regular and Brazilian rosewood and the price is $1500 more for the Brazilian. Which model are you talking about?
 
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Gibson has a model that you can pick between regular and Brazilian rosewood and the price is $1500 more for the Brazilian. Which model are you talking about?

I was talking market prices. I don't think they make anything with Brazilian fretboards right now.
 
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I will certainly never buy a Gibson, new or used. I got my SG as a gift, so that doesn't count. I think how much they charge for CNC guitar is just silly when you think about the possibilities of having a custom guitar built with the same specs for almost the same exact price, even cheaper. Good tones? Certainly? Over priced IMO? I don't even need to ask myself that. Hamer, PRS, Edwards and Dean all make guitar similar enough in style and design to get the same style tones.
 
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Everyone uses CNC, even custom shops. It's more accurate than by hand. I find it funny when people get hung up on the CNC thing. They are still finished by hand after the CNC cuts the wood; pretty much industry standard.

And there are plenty of deals on Gibsons out there, new and used. Hell I couldn't even sell a $1400 custom shop historic LP on this very forum as recent as last week and that's cheap. So I think people whine more for the sake of whining than a legitimate complaint.

And let me reiterate, I don't like Gibson's policies and price hikes either.
 
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Oh my, you're right!!!!

Putting crappy pots and jacks is going to help Gibson take over the world!!!

I guess I'd better stock up on supplies and ammo. :smack:

OK man, at the very least I thought I was talking to someone who wanted to do intelligent conversation instead of trying to ridicule everything he didn't like to hear so I think I'm just gonna shut up now ok?
 
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Not all Gibsons are priced at 3K or more. Some are and some are worth it, like an L5 or Super 400. A hand carved Archtop is worth the 6K that they sell for. A custom made archtop will sill sell for somewhere around 10 to 35K depending on the builder and the quality.
As far as solidbodies go, I have seen brand new Les Pauls going for 16 to $2200. Are there other guitars that are as good or better? well opinions vary. I for one love my Gibsons, but I also love my Fenders. I think the quality of all mass produced guitars are a little suspect, but if you take your time and play a bunch you will find a real winner. As far as price increases............ everybody in every business will raise there prices annually. Thats how you keep your profits where they were the previous year. All employees will usually get a salary increase each year. The cost of wood to build a guitar goes up. The consumers generally is going to pay for this. Thats just business.
 
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OK man, at the very least I thought I was talking to someone who wanted to do intelligent conversation instead of trying to ridicule everything he didn't like to hear so I think I'm just gonna shut up now ok?

OK. I was being silly, and I apologize for that. You do have to admit though, your comparison of Gibson's marketing and quality control practices to what amounts to a government coup is pretty ridiculous.

Your attitude begs the question: How do Gibson's business practices affect you? You, by your own admission, see no need to buy a Gibson. If so, logic dictates that the current price of new Gibsons and used Gibsons (which no one controls the price of save for the owner selling it and the person buying it) should not affect you.

If that's indeed the case, why are your panties so bunched up and twisted?
 
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Well, I didn't compare it per se, I just mentioned it as a (here) well documented fact.
As for the power part, remember we're a relatively small country, about 11 million or so, less than the people of New York alone. And we're talking about the biggest company in the guitar building industry here, right?

In any case, I firmly believe that, if nothing else, they do have the means to affect the price of their products in the market, regardless of whether they deem it worthy to do so or not which is just a suspicion I have and nothing more...

About how it affects me, well in a totally selfish, personal level, it doesn't.

But man, it just hits a nerve in me when otherwise intelligent, knowledgeable people make such simplistic statements that were nurtured by the company themselves through intense marketing as a means to increase their product's monetary worth without them doing a single thing to the product itself to deserve that increase...

If nothing else it just bugs me that in the end it's so d@mn easy to manipulate people into thinking/doing what you want regardless of their intelligence and/or educational level...
 
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Its so very weird, just because someone bought something in 1950 and its value went up like 1000% in 50 years DOES NOT mean that if you buy a guitar new in 2008 that its going to be worth millions (adj for inflation lol) in 2068.

Real collectors of course know this but it sure doesnt stop companies like Gibson from trying to sell the "investmen"



Think about it this way, I read that something like $100 worth of Microsoft when it came out is now worth $100,000 or something along those lines.

How ethical would it be for a broker to try to sell you on an "investment" in that stock today by using that story ?
 
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Here is the final blow.. Im looking at a car magazine today and see a pic of an old Explorer (with bigsby, yuck)... The ad talks about how a guy bought this for his son for $247.50 (something like that) way back when and just auctioned it off for $611,000. And the whole thing is about how they are collectable and you could be half a million richer for buying a Gibson.. And to invest, call your local dealer..
NOWHERE does it discuss that they make music, or that they play good or anything.. You remember "only a Gibson is good enough"?? This says to me that they ONLY want the collector willing to dole out obscene money and prob doesnt care if it plays worth a crap or not.

I'm not sure whether it would offend me or not, but it probably would. I agree: guitars are to make music on. If it appreciates in value, so what? Am I going to sell it off only to buy another? I don't know if I would, assuming it has been with me that long and sounds that good.

Still, it should be about making a quality musical instrument, not making a collector's item. I understand that some are made for such purposes, but still....

I just won't buy them because it's too much money to pay for a guitar that doesn't come with Seymour Duncan pickups, especially when there are equally good or better instruments in the same store that have just as much sustain yet have Duncan pickups. My Schecter C-1 Classic is definitely a Les Paul killer: it has just as much sustain, feels better quite frankly, and has Duncans, with five way switching. I'd appreciate having two volume and two tone knobs, but it's not like I can't make that happen later :D
 
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I will certainly never buy a Gibson, new or used. I got my SG as a gift, so that doesn't count. I think how much they charge for CNC guitar is just silly when you think about the possibilities of having a custom guitar built with the same specs for almost the same exact price, even cheaper. Good tones? Certainly? Over priced IMO? I don't even need to ask myself that. Hamer, PRS, Edwards and Dean all make guitar similar enough in style and design to get the same style tones.

I agree, I wouldn't buy a Gibson new or used either.
 
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My main gripe with Gibson... other then the increasing use of multi-piece bodies & sloppy work... is that there's a price increase every three months.

Everyone & everything has price increases... it's a fact of life.

I get it.

But to see Les Paul Std's & 335's go up another $100 seemingly every other month...

I dunno.

New USA Fenders have doubled since since '94... Hamer's gone up a bit. PRS... they've all had increases, but Gibson's about four times the average.

There's better values out there for sure.

In a "players" guitar anyway...

But that's what happens when you get a company being run by Harvard grads... and not musicians. They've openly admitted to using the Harley Davidson model and gunning for it. On one hand I applaud them... on the other... I've never bought anything but used Gibsons.
 
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I've spent most of my life Hating Gibson. I've played guitar for 12-13 years now and the entire time, I've Hated Gibson with a passion. I don't give a F***, a guitar should not cost more than $1500-2000, and even thats almost too much. How much does it cost them to make a shape that they've made millions of times before? oh but this one comes in a honey burst, and the inlays are trapezoids, not blocks....oh well, thats definitely f***ing worth $1000 more right?! honestly, If I was paying $4000 for a guitar, that thing better have ALL aftermarket parts, sound better than anything, stay in tune forever. you know what, I don't think I'm gonna do that with a burstbucker, a set neck, and a loose bridge!

Personally, I hate almost every aspect of their guitar design ideals. Why hasn't ANYONE come up with a better bridge system than tuneomatics? like that was the 50's....just redesign it with locking saddles, maybe something that locks the strings in place? I'm not saying I want a floyd rose, I want full bodied tone, no questions asked, but I would also like my guitar to stay in tune. HOW ABOUT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU DID IN THE 60's?! 70's?! OH RIGHT THE ROBOT GUITAR!!! this piece of S*** takes longer to tune itself than ANY experienced guitarist can tune a regular guitar! oh, you can switch to almost any tuning known to man? Good on ya, you'll never be able to change tunings like that mid song, since it takes a full minute for it to switch to different tunings. They are not on the cutting edge of guitar design. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lab full of idiots trying to come up with a new color for the same style guitars!

most of the problem is the market: Guitarists themselves, they want what jimmy page played, what slash played, Zakk Wylde. I can fully admit, A Les Paul is an iconic symbol.
BUT, its not the end all, be all of Guitars. I'm sick of Seeing Zakk Wylde on the cover of Guitar world with his Les Paul, and His Marshalls, EMGS, BOOMERS, WAH, EVERYTHING, for the past YEAR. How well made are they? whats so special about Gibson? Tell me that the Jackson Custom Shop (Not the new fender one, the old one, the good one), that NEAL MOSER wouldn't be able to create the exact same thing for you as an off the shelf Gibson Black beauty, or something EVEN BETTER for the SAME MONEY. Gibsons strategy is simple: Don't change a **** thing, we'll tell THEM what to like"

man, its not that hard to make a guitar, and past $2000, you're not paying for skilled labour and materials. Again, even $2000 is too much for a guitar. Think about it, all of the parts for a Les Paul, add up to how much?
Burstbucker set: $300? (COME ON, a set of SEYMOUR DUNCANS are cheaper than that!)
Tuneomatic set $50? (Its only now that they started knocking off tone pros, so maybe its costing them more to put set screws in the bridges?)
Grover tuners: $75 (Which aren't even that good, how about you put locking tuners STOCK on your guitars since I'm paying $4000 for it?!)
Bone Nut: $40 ( which is kinda the labour anyways?)
Input jack, screws, Pots, Knobs, Pickup Rings, Pick guard: $50

$515 total in parts. is the rest of the labour and wood worth $1500, 2000, 2500 more?
Yeah, I understand you have to make money as a business, but I just hate these people that go around playing gibson saying nothings better, nothing compares. Theres a lot better out there, for the same price or less!

And, after saying all this, I have to say:




My main guitar is a Gibson gothic Explorer, with Duncans, Tonepros, and Sperzels. I'd rather pay ~$1000 for a new Explorer with the same sound as your LP standard, studio, custom, supreme, classic. Gibson is a piece of History, and thats where they belong, in history.
 
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Its so very weird, just because someone bought something in 1950 and its value went up like 1000% in 50 years DOES NOT mean that if you buy a guitar new in 2008 that its going to be worth millions (adj for inflation lol) in 2068.

Real collectors of course know this but it sure doesnt stop companies like Gibson from trying to sell the "investmen"



Think about it this way, I read that something like $100 worth of Microsoft when it came out is now worth $100,000 or something along those lines.

How ethical would it be for a broker to try to sell you on an "investment" in that stock today by using that story ?


This is what I wanted to say thru all this but couldnt formulate into words..Milsart got my thinking straight.. thanks

Old gibsons are worth a bunch cuz they were special. new, revolutionary and from what I hear, magical.
With the quality issues today, today's gibsons are not going to be collectable. Except some of the one offs and special run pieces that are $10,000.
I dont see someone in 100 years coveting my 2007 LP studio.

And JMoose.. Right. I understand inflation, I ve watched it for 41 yrs. But I dont see how to justify 200-300 increases every couple of months.

Warheart, thats what I was saying earlier.. I can get imports with the same "basic construction", tonepros, earvana nut, name brand aftermarket pickups and grover keys for $500.

Agiles come with graphite and bone nuts...
 
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Gibson = Harley

That is why I bounght a $1000 MIA Fender

Or I would pay Schecter, ESP, Jackson a couple grand to build a CUSTOM guitar
 
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I suppose the new "standard" is where you go to get the thinner neck.

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