Gibson Trademarks 335 Shape

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+ I own the H9 because there is no other product like it, and buying something else just to buy American would have meant I did not have the same features that I love having in the H9.

I own 2 H9 units. ( love rubbing that in... :D)

I'd love to strongly consider a Strymon if it were a true competing product. Having owned a Blue Sky, Ola (I still use this one extensively), and El Capistan - they ain't in the same ballpark. The Timeline, Mobius and Big Sky also aren't in the same ballpark feature wise.

My main reverb at the moment though is a MPX-1 set up through a mixer. I'm thinking about an Eclipse, but that's a harder sell.

But then again, that might make me a bit of a hypocrite - can't win them all....
 
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Don't you just love how objective guitar gear is? As I said, I have a Timeline, Mobius, and H9, and I feel that as awesome and feature-laden as the H9 is, it doesn't have the tone of the Strymon units. It comes close, but it's not all the way there. And there's nothing wrong with the fact that we reached different conclusions about the same gear - it's what drives the market.
 
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Fine, you can, in fact, assume anything you want, but rolling this back to the point, if you're saying "but it's only $200!" you're advancing to the assumption that giving business to the boutique pedal maker is virtuous, or $2,500 to Gibson for drawing the shape of an ES-335 a long ass time ago

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- the myth that any guitar related product made in the US is better made than those made in the East
- our ability to relate to the proprietors on a cultural and/or personal level
- sense of patriotism

so being a boutique shop isn't strictly a bad business model, but it does rely on precarious circumstances.

You really don't speak for the industry or users at large.

On point one, I work with overseas workers and they are judged by how well they followed instructions, not by quality of the resulting work, and it creates a massive headache trying to get quality out of a team when that is not their objective.

Your other points are just made up.

Experience with the differences in product, service and personal treatment during remediation of problems is the missing bullet point that keeps people buying American, if they do. And there are plenty of times when people whose purchases frequently lean US are perfectly willing to purchase from anyone outside US if the quality is there and the personal treatment is there.
 
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You really don't speak for the industry or users at large.

Where did I claim that I do? Why would you assume that?


On point one, I work with overseas workers and they are judged by how well they followed instructions, not by quality of the resulting work, and it creates a massive headache trying to get quality out of a team when that is not their objective.

It's not a myth that some American made music products, maybe even most of them, are more durable than cheap Chinese made equivalents, but I see people on the internet, even here, just assume out of hand that a thing is better for no other reason than it being made in the USA. That is difference between merit based evaluation, and anecdotal evidence and broad generalizations. If you ask someone "why should I pay more for a Seymour Duncan and not less for a Duncan Designed?" some here would answer that the former is made in the USA, with the assertion that this is why you can trust that it's better, no further explanation necessary.

Your other points are just made up.

A lot of boutique makers are actively involved in online forums, and it's easy to see first hand what this does for their reputation. It is very good. People feel like they personally know them, they refer to them on a first name basis. It the ultimate word-of-mouth promotion.

And "sense of patrionism" is not only not "made up", but is directly cited as a reason for buying domestic within this thread.

Experience with the differences in product, service and personal treatment during remediation of problems is the missing bullet point that keeps people buying American, if they do. And there are plenty of times when people whose purchases frequently lean US are perfectly willing to purchase from anyone outside US if the quality is there and the personal treatment is there.

That doesn't hold up. A lot of foreign made components have US based service centers. You don't have to speak Japanese if you have a problem with your Boss pedal. You'll probably be referred to an authorized service center near you, and not even required to ship the item back to the manufacturer for service.

Truth be told, my guitar related products very rarely fail due to manufacture defect, domestic or foreign made. I'm shocked to see as much made about customer services as it is, and when I do have to return something, I'm dealing with Musicians Friends, or an Amazon related retailer, not the manufacturer. If you fell it beneficial to pay $200 instead of $40 (for the sake of argument) on account of customer service alone, I have to wonder how you treat your things.

If boutique makers are friendlier, it's because they have to be for the prices they charge and the small volumes they push, and is covered in this bullet point "our ability to relate to the proprietors on a cultural and/or personal level".

And I have been treated poorly at times by domestic guitar accessory makers as well, though I won't name names.
 
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I am going to apply for a trademark on the f-hole and screw them all.

I know you were kidding when you wrote this. But if what I heard--again from that same attorney--is true, someone may have already beaten you to the punch.
 
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I thought the Germans typically had high wages and relatively high unemployment, but that statistic is from a while ago. I'm too lazy to Google it. Is that no longer the case?

The Germans have high taxes (and other fees such as mandatory retirement insurance), medium wages and used to have high unemployment. Their unemployment is now very low, since the recovery from the 2008 crisis they came out best among their competitors - including the US.

What was said about China. Good lucky getting the same quality product out of a production of 10,000 pieces after 100 pieces of prototype. Essentially - not gonna happen. Not that anybody there takes your job for just 10,000 pieces, and not that it is cheap anymore. There's a reason why Vietnam and Indonesia are the new thing.
 
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Drex, please stop arguing incessantly.

Why don't you stop incessantly blaming me? Why not give some credit to beaubrummels, or LReese, or Edgecrusher, or anyone else who can't help but respond?

Send me a private message if you want to continue this conversation, it's not even loosely related to trademarks or IP.
 
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I know you were kidding when you wrote this. But if what I heard--again from that same attorney--is true, someone may have already beaten you to the punch.

Screw it, then I am going to trademark Evan Skopp and charge you for licensing. Somehow I am getting paid!
 
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Why don't you stop incessantly blaming me? Why not give some credit to beaubrummels, or LReese, or Edgecrusher, or anyone else who can't help but respond?

Send me a private message if you want to continue this conversation, it's not even loosely related to trademarks or IP.

And just let you blather bull and let you present that as fact unchallenged? I somehow don't think you're from the same planet I'm from. Really.
 
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And just let you blather bull and let you present that as fact unchallenged? I somehow don't think you're from the same planet I'm from. Really.

PSA: if you have a problem with my posts and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, send me a private message. Thanks.
 
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lol, and i thought i stepped on a lot of toes when i joined the forums.

PSA: if you have a problem with my posts and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, send me a private message. Thanks.
i wouldn't; no-one needs that kind of grief.
 
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Is there an award if you manage to fill your inbox, or does it just make a person feel popular?
 
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I know you were kidding when you wrote this. But if what I heard--again from that same attorney--is true, someone may have already beaten you to the punch.

I bet the Rickenbacker cat's eye sound hole is copyrighted.
 
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Hmm... but Gretsch had a cat's eye sound hole on Synchromatics back in the 1940's, which pre-dates Rickenbacker models with cat's eye sound holes. I think Rickenbacker had to change theirs to avoid infringing on Gretsch.

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