Hey Blueman, got a serious question for you!

Re: Hey Blueman, got a serious question for you!

I kind of feel like the "right tool for the job" thing might get thrown around a bit much.

Of course, if you're going for a Strat sound, you go for a Strat. If you're going to play a song that a guy recorded with a Strat, you just need a guitar. Likewise, you can play Country on any guitar, and play any style on a Tele. Chicken pickin sounds good on an LPs bridge pickup, and so on.

The only people in the room who will get irritated by a player using a guitar not usual in a genre or style, are the other guitarists anyway.

For me, the right tool for playing a song with electric guitar, is a good electric guitar I like.
 
Re: Hey Blueman, got a serious question for you!

Eric Gales has had it up to here with the fighting, and he's not gonna take it any more.

 
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wahwah said:
The talk gets tiring after a while, or maybe that's just me.
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One of the last places I thought you'd show up would be a thread about Blueman, since this is all so dull for you. But, the more the merrier.

So the way you see it, a person's musical tastes are either important or to be ignored, based on how good a player they are? Since the majority of the public doesn't play an instrument, do we blow off the opinions of all those people in the audience (the ones who are really paying you)? You want me to put up a clip so you can critique it and tear it apart, because it's certainly not the style, or maybe not the skill level, you would play? I guarantee I'm not as versatile a player as you, nor do I want to be. I want to do certain things well, and that's it. Are the players here wrong to like things if we can't play as good as you? And therefore shouldn't post anything about their likes and dislikes? Open exchange of ideas I thought it was, even ones contrary to our own. Hey, you're a professional musician, I work in an office. I sure hope you're a better player than I am. But tell me you're not going to flaunt that and say I'm not entitled to certain musical tastes because I don't meet your standards? This isn't a jam, it's a conversation, so the playing field is somewhat leveled.

I love the 'LP thru a Marshall' sound; you've said you're not thrilled with it. So in your mind (going back to to the last thread we talked togther in), if you're the better player, then the decades old 'LP vs. Strat' is settled in your favor? I'm not seeing the connection. Whether I even play guitar or not, my tastes are just as valid as yours, and unless I missed something, this forum is a place for all of us to express them. A lot of people, musicians and non-musicians, like that 'British' sound. Are we all wrong?

Wah Wah, you're a smart guy, you've posted a lot of good things; you should know there's a certain amount of humor in most of my posts, a lot of others guys here pick up on it. If you read more of my posts (and got totally bored), you'd see that I'm one of the biggest comedians here. Sometimes I'm serious, sometimes I'm funny, and sometimes I'm in between. Do I really think a every guitarist here should have an LP? Simon (the admin) said the same thing too. Come on, we're both saying it tongue-in-cheek. Did that go right by you? You need to loosen up. I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes about the Strat thing, and now you want to challenge me to a duel to see if my musical tastes are acceptable. Funny thing is, your Aussie friend Crusty Philbin recently called Strat 'hunks of junk' which you managed to overlook, yet you felt the need to interject in this 'tiring' thread about me. Ah yes. There's a few contradictions in all that.

A number of guys here have asked for, and benefitted from my advice, which admittedly is very focused (you'd call it 'limited'). I've sent magnets, for free, to members in half a dozen countries. I've bought many magnets, and probably given half of them away to guys that the cost, or shipping would have been a financial burden to. I think overall, I've done more good than harm. If a few guys along the way got their knickers in a twist, well, so be it. I'm hoping you're not one of them. You're smarter than they are.

It's great you earn a living playing guitar; at times I wish I would have taken that path, but then again, I like a steady paycheck, especially in a bad economy. But what I listen to or play doesn't need anyone's validation.
 
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blueman, that post sounds like you are having a conversation with yourself, because it seems to have so little relevance to anything being discussed here. Can you point out a sentence, or a phrase, or a hint, in any of my posts where I have suggested "a person's musical tastes are either important or to be ignored, based on how good a player they are?" Musical tastes? When have I mentioned musical tastes? You know, don't you, that this is about your opinion of a particular brand of guitar? Your outspokenness about that subject. Repeatedly. Ad Nauseum. Isn't it rather manipulative to slyly swap that for the subject of 'musical taste,' and then ascribe those words to somebody else as if they are attacking you, unprovoked? Is this some kind of victim mentality that has served you in the past? Because it certainly isn't serving you here. It makes you seem somehow oblivious to the topic being discussed.

Now if we replace your attempted red herring with what I was actually saying, the phrase becomes, "So the way you (I) see it, a person's true knowledge of playing guitar, and their authority about guitars, is either important or possibly to be ignored, based on how good a player they are?" To which I would say yes, blueman. If a guy who can barely play guitar says to you, "Les Pauls are junk. Strats are where it's at. How can you seriously call yourself a guitar player if you don't have a Strat?" Would you listen to him? Would you consider him to be an authority on the subject? My point in my last couple of posts has been, without hearing you play, how do we know you are not that guy?

It doesn't help your cause when people say "Play something for us blueman...let's hear you play!" And you ignore that, and come back with "Les Pauls are blubble blubble...Strats are blubble blubble." To which they say, "Well just play something for us, let us hear this muscular tone and style," to which you say, "Well Les Pauls are blubble blubble blubble, but Strats are blubble blubble." If there's anything funny or comical about your posts, that would be it.

I'm not taking anything away from the help you've offered to members of this forum, that's always admirable and no doubt appreciated. And I'm not suggesting that we compare our playing, because I have an unfair advantage in that I have had much more available time with the instrument as a professional. Surely you cannot be oblivious to the sheer one sidedness of your opinions on models and brands of guitars? Can you also be oblivious to the fact that many of your comments seem designed to provoke? Do you do this, and then cry 'victim' when your provocation returns you some criticism? Is this also why you ignore Strat players like me who say, "Paul Kossoff's Les Paul through a Marshall is one of my favourite tones," when you say "I love the 'LP thru a Marshall' sound; you've said you're not thrilled with it." Is this deliberate? Or when you say, "So in your mind, if you're the better player, then the decades old 'LP vs. Strat' is settled in your favor?" when you know full well I am saying nothing of the sort, nor would I. Do you manipulate these things deliberately to make the other person seem unreasonable? It certainly seems like you do.

You at least seem to soften up when confronted. Suddenly it's all meant in jest, and it's everyone else's culpability for not getting the joke. But are you really joking when you suggest that a player can't call themselves a guitarist if they don't own at least one Les Paul? As a professional player, hearing that from an amateur, I have to laugh whether you were joking or not. (Varg, please note it was this comment I was referring to as 'ridiculous.') It is this matter of authority that I question. You have a tendency to speak with such authority, which steps over the line from mere opinion. If Paul Kossoff could speak to us from the grave about guitar tone, you and I would both sit down quietly and listen, because of his undeniable authority. But if Joe Bloggs, whom we've never heard play guitar says, "Let me tell you why your guitar is no good, and mine is the best," are we really expected to take him seriously? Of course, Joe Bloggs is welcome to his opinion, but at what point do we say to him, "Please, Joe, if you know so much to keep criticizing the players around you and their choice of guitar model...can we at least hear you play the thing?"





Cheers........................................ wahwah
 
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wahwah said:
blueman, that post sounds like you are having a conversation with yourself, because it seems to have so little relevance to anything being discussed here. Can you point out a sentence, or a phrase, or a hint, in any of my posts where I have suggested "a person's musical tastes are either important or to be ignored, based on how good a player they are?" Musical tastes? When have I mentioned musical tastes? You know, don't you, that this is about your opinion of a particular brand of guitar? Your outspokenness about that subject. Repeatedly. Ad Nauseum. Isn't it rather manipulative to slyly swap that for the subject of 'musical taste,' and then ascribe those words to somebody else as if they are attacking you, unprovoked? Is this some kind of victim mentality that has served you in the past? Because it certainly isn't serving you here. It makes you seem somehow oblivious to the topic being discussed.

Now if we replace your attempted red herring with what I was actually saying, the phrase becomes, "So the way you (I) see it, a person's true knowledge of playing guitar, and their authority about guitars, is either important or possibly to be ignored, based on how good a player they are?" To which I would say yes, blueman. If a guy who can barely play guitar says to you, "Les Pauls are junk. Strats are where it's at. How can you seriously call yourself a guitar player if you don't have a Strat?" Would you listen to him? Would you consider him to be an authority on the subject? My point in my last couple of posts has been, without hearing you play, how do we know you are not that guy?

It doesn't help your cause when people say "Play something for us blueman...let's hear you play!" And you ignore that, and come back with "Les Pauls are blubble blubble...Strats are blubble blubble." To which they say, "Well just play something for us, let us hear this muscular tone and style," to which you say, "Well Les Pauls are blubble blubble blubble, but Strats are blubble blubble." If there's anything funny or comical about your posts, that would be it.

I'm not taking anything away from the help you've offered to members of this forum, that's always admirable and no doubt appreciated. And I'm not suggesting that we compare our playing, because I have an unfair advantage in that I have had much more available time with the instrument as a professional. Surely you cannot be oblivious to the sheer one sidedness of your opinions on models and brands of guitars? Can you also be oblivious to the fact that many of your comments seem designed to provoke? Do you do this, and then cry 'victim' when your provocation returns you some criticism? Is this also why you ignore Strat players like me who say, "Paul Kossoff's Les Paul through a Marshall is one of my favourite tones," when you say "I love the 'LP thru a Marshall' sound; you've said you're not thrilled with it." Is this deliberate? Or when you say, "So in your mind, if you're the better player, then the decades old 'LP vs. Strat' is settled in your favor?" when you know full well I am saying nothing of the sort, nor would I. Do you manipulate these things deliberately to make the other person seem unreasonable? It certainly seems like you do.

You at least seem to soften up when confronted. Suddenly it's all meant in jest, and it's everyone else's culpability for not getting the joke. But are you really joking when you suggest that a player can't call themselves a guitarist if they don't own at least one Les Paul? As a professional player, hearing that from an amateur, I have to laugh whether you were joking or not. (Varg, please note it was this comment I was referring to as 'ridiculous.') It is this matter of authority that I question. You have a tendency to speak with such authority, which steps over the line from mere opinion. If Paul Kossoff could speak to us from the grave about guitar tone, you and I would both sit down quietly and listen, because of his undeniable authority. But if Joe Bloggs, whom we've never heard play guitar says, "Let me tell you why your guitar is no good, and mine is the best," are we really expected to take him seriously? Of course, Joe Bloggs is welcome to his opinion, but at what point do we say to him, "Please, Joe, if you know so much to keep criticizing the players around you and their choice of guitar model...can we at least hear you play the thing?"





Cheers........................................ wahwah
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Geoff...my last name isn't Bloggs. ;)
 
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blueman335 said:
.... . . Funny thing is, your Aussie friend Crusty Philbin recently called Strat 'hunks of junk' which you managed to overlook, yet you felt the need to interject in this 'tiring' thread about me. Ah yes. There's a few contradictions in all that.
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Crusty Philbin checking in here .....

That's the second time i've seen you refer to that small grouping of words that have been carefully extracted from a larger passage : which went on to say that in my experiences, Strats have many problems and only some are good and even then you have to wrench the good stuff out of them BUT ultimately they do their thing better than anything else and i love the sound. I may also have mentioned in that post that after a twenty-year break from them, I now own 3 Strats.

So just using that little phrase about 'hunk of junk' is being used to attempt to create a different impression of what i actually said in the full version, i.e. you are misrepresenting the overall content of what i said.

Fank you wewy much. :1:

EDIT : I'm pretty sure Wahwah understood what i had said in that post too, because he complimented me about it, despite him having played a Strat pretty much all through the time when i didn't. If he felt my overall comment was as you try to portray, i'm sure he would have either a) not commented, or b) been a little less complimentary in his erudite and classy way.
 
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Am I to understand that we need to send in a recorded track of ourselves playing guitar before we state an opinion ?
 
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Crane said:
Am I to understand that we need to send in a recorded track of ourselves playing guitar before we state an opinion ?
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I wouldn't think so. Anyone can have an opinion. Somebody who has never even picked up a guitar can have an opinion about guitars. It's whether or not you want to have that opinion presented with any sense of authority that may require some kind of credentials that prove that you know what you're talking about. Saying "I like Les Pauls" could mean that you like their shape. That's an opinion.

Asking

blueman335 said:
How can someone call themself a guitarist and not own at least one LP?
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suggests that you know what it takes to be a guitarist. That's a suggestion made with an air of authority. In this case, the suggestion is false and nonsensical. That throws the air of authority into doubt. My suggestion is that only one thing truly establishes that sense of authority that takes something beyond being merely an opinion. In the case of guitar playing, that would be playing the guitar.




Cheers......................................... wahwah
 
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wahwah said:
If Paul Kossoff could speak to us from the grave about guitar tone, you and I would both sit down quietly and listen, because of his undeniable authority.
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I wouldn't.

I would run the **** away from zombie Kossoff, that's what I'd do.
 
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This is where I usually jump in with a tasteless FH comment that's strangely appropriate to the moment.
 
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Kam said:
I wouldn't.

I would run the **** away from zombie Kossoff, that's what I'd do.
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Ok, look, if there's a chance he's going to eat your brain, either before or after imparting wisdom related to guitar tone, your's may be the wisest course of action.




Cheers..................................... wahwah
 
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I think the point he's trying to make is that Blueman presents his opinions in such a way that should you disagree, you are wrong, based on his experiences playing guitar over the years. While I don't agree that he needs to post up clips of himself playing, I DO wish he'd stop posting things that are clearly derisive towards opinions that differ from his own, especially since he's opened so many eyes with magnet swaps and musings on tone, etc. In fact, I more or less agree with his appraisal of the LP through Marshall tone: it's god. I don't really like Strats, either, but that's just because I don't like the way they hang when standing.

That said, Blueman does manage to piss me off just about every other time he posts. I get a definite Foghorn Leghorn vibe and that's the only 'funny' part about it.
 
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crusty philtrum said:
using that little phrase about 'hunk of junk' is being used to attempt to create a different impression of what i actually said in the full version.
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I was simply pointing out that I have never, in any post, described Strats that harshly, even taken out of context. And does it really matter what anyone else says about your guitars? Not like they paid for them or are going to play them. I don't see getting the point in worked up over that. Buy what you want, and talk about it here. Seems like we could do that without anyone getting upset. I'm convinced that face-to-face, we'd all get along. It is a problem if we don't agree with everyone else here? Does anyone really expect that? The beauty of this forum is that you get so many different views and opinons, and that spreads ideas and innovations, and this is a hot bed for that. We're scattered all over the world, we have different personalities, different cultures, different preferences. So you don't like what someone says: don't read their posts, or in this case, threads about them.
 
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wahwah said:
Or when you say, "So in your mind, if you're the better player, then the decades old 'LP vs. Strat' is settled in your favor?" when you know full well I am saying nothing of the sort, nor would I.
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What you posted in another thread recently, wanting hear clips from me: Let's 'hear these great Les Paul tones that justify mocking Strat players for their lack of taste in the preferred instrument.' I interpreted that as a Strat vs LP challenge that hinged on my playing. It seemed like you insisted that I prove my case, as if there weren't enough CD's already with LP's on them. Sorry if I took it wrong. BTW, I've never mocked good Strat players, I've consistently praised them. I think one of the greatest losses in the history of music was Hendrix's death.

I have friends that have been professional musicians for decades, their whole adult lives. Some own Strats and Teles. I joke about them, they joke about my guitars. We all laugh. I do that here, and some guys get all huffy. Face-to-face we'd have no problems, any of us. Put everyone online and things change. I don't understand that. Everything I've said on the forum, I've said to many of the Fender owners I know, and not one of them has ever had a negative reaction. Nor I when they laughed at me and my approach to music. Why does it make enemies here? It doesn't have to.
 
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