Edgecrusher
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Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
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How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
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Peaveyologist
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Fitting guitar necks appears to be politics.
Seriously though, I can only add a smidgen of info to this debate. Many moons ago, in the Peavey forum, there was a discussion about whether or not the Peavey micro-tilt mechanism affected tone. The micro-tilt is just an allen screw with a sharp point, that rests against a small metal plate attached to the neck. Chip Todd, (designer of many of the early USA-made Peaveys), said, (and I'll have to paraphrase), that the amount of energy transmitted through a mechanical connection was independent of the contact surface area. There's a set amount of energy transmitted through the neck/body connection. You can spread it out, or concentrate it in one point source. It's still the same amount of energy.
Fitting guitar necks appears to be politics.
Seriously though, I can only add a smidgen of info to this debate. Many moons ago, in the Peavey forum, there was a discussion about whether or not the Peavey micro-tilt mechanism affected tone. The micro-tilt is just an allen screw with a sharp point, that rests against a small metal plate attached to the neck. Chip Todd, (designer of many of the early USA-made Peaveys), said, (and I'll have to paraphrase), that the amount of energy transmitted through a mechanical connection was independent of the contact surface area. There's a set amount of energy transmitted through the neck/body connection. You can spread it out, or concentrate it in one point source. It's still the same amount of energy.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
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Edgecrusher
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uOpt
Something Cool
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
This spamming methods works by adding the spam into the signature later. The spammer posts into a whole bunch of threads (and often has secondary accounts bumping those posts) and then he adds a signature with spam later. The result is that the spam link appears in many places at once and the best part is that moderators using "new posts" or the usercp to track new postings will never be presented with the posts when they have the spam.
This spamming methods works by adding the spam into the signature later. The spammer posts into a whole bunch of threads (and often has secondary accounts bumping those posts) and then he adds a signature with spam later. The result is that the spam link appears in many places at once and the best part is that moderators using "new posts" or the usercp to track new postings will never be presented with the posts when they have the spam.
Edgecrusher
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Squirelova
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Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
I'm waiting....
I'm waiting....
Squirelova
New member
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Please, call me HAL, how are you today?
Please, call me HAL, how are you today?
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
I have found neck bolts to give a powerful Rock and Roll sound…
I have found neck bolts to give a powerful Rock and Roll sound…
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
I'm just not going to participate in threads like this.
I am going to just contribute by giving guidelines I think should be followed for the benefit of everyone:
1. Principle of Falsifiability (google it)
2. Empirical Evidence
3. Critical Thinking (no emotional reasoning)
3. Experiments
4. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL!!! CONTROL VARIABLES DAMMIT!
I'm just not going to participate in threads like this.
I am going to just contribute by giving guidelines I think should be followed for the benefit of everyone:
1. Principle of Falsifiability (google it)
2. Empirical Evidence
3. Critical Thinking (no emotional reasoning)
3. Experiments
4. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL!!! CONTROL VARIABLES DAMMIT!
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Little Pigbacon
Guest
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
You're just going to turn off the masses with all that egghead talk. Control variables. Pfffft. If you insist on taking that attitude, how are you going to foist bad science on people in an effort to convince them of something completely unrelated to the experiment?
You're just going to turn off the masses with all that egghead talk. Control variables. Pfffft. If you insist on taking that attitude, how are you going to foist bad science on people in an effort to convince them of something completely unrelated to the experiment?
Squirelova
New member
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Jolly good show Dear, very good points made and taken by many here. Maybe there is just no substitute for experience. Even that can be subjective too. I'm beginning to think everyone's hearing is as different as their taste buds. The key word here seems to be "critical". Is not music more than tone. I was surprised to learn that the pianos Beethoven had available to him were far inferior in sound and tone than the space age wonders of today, yet he managed to squeeze life out of them. Spam and eggs ain't too bad IMHO.
Jolly good show Dear, very good points made and taken by many here. Maybe there is just no substitute for experience. Even that can be subjective too. I'm beginning to think everyone's hearing is as different as their taste buds. The key word here seems to be "critical". Is not music more than tone. I was surprised to learn that the pianos Beethoven had available to him were far inferior in sound and tone than the space age wonders of today, yet he managed to squeeze life out of them. Spam and eggs ain't too bad IMHO.
Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Make or break? ...that's in the fingers..
Check out this shredtastic battle axe..
1:30 for sustain demo...
Make or break? ...that's in the fingers..
Check out this shredtastic battle axe..
1:30 for sustain demo...
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
I don't know what surprised me the most. That he got that sound out of a stock Ibanez INF4, or that he got that out of a Spider IV. Was honestly expecting the gear to be at least a little bit "better". The sustain is probably from the amount of compression a Spider IV has; though I don't mean to take credit away from him.
I don't know what surprised me the most. That he got that sound out of a stock Ibanez INF4, or that he got that out of a Spider IV. Was honestly expecting the gear to be at least a little bit "better". The sustain is probably from the amount of compression a Spider IV has; though I don't mean to take credit away from him.
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MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Nothing is "in the fingers" for purposes of legitimate gear discussion.And ntothign surprised me.
That idiots sweep pick and tapping turns to slop when the gain is turned down. There isnt honestly one lick in that guys repoitoire that would fly on a ol skool cranked Deluxe reverb. Thats why old blues guys are so great. They play clean-on-the -edge of breakup, and they have to have real contact with fingers on strings, and clean and sherp licks, with a lot of muscle ...not that junk the fool hear is trying to pass off as legitimate.
Its the high output pickup doing all of that guys sustain.it picks up more vibrations from that POS plank that he is using. The point os for real tone, you need a great piece of wood, and a lower power older PAF style pickup. The betetr and older the wod is, the more traditonally l;ower output and better , sweeter tone through a amp that isnt all about compression, but has more old skpooo sag and sweeter cleans.
No, tis isnt a surprise at all. You could use a concrte block with sweep and tpappin with a a staruated compreessed amp.
Nothing is "in the fingers" for purposes of legitimate gear discussion.And ntothign surprised me.
That idiots sweep pick and tapping turns to slop when the gain is turned down. There isnt honestly one lick in that guys repoitoire that would fly on a ol skool cranked Deluxe reverb. Thats why old blues guys are so great. They play clean-on-the -edge of breakup, and they have to have real contact with fingers on strings, and clean and sherp licks, with a lot of muscle ...not that junk the fool hear is trying to pass off as legitimate.
Its the high output pickup doing all of that guys sustain.it picks up more vibrations from that POS plank that he is using. The point os for real tone, you need a great piece of wood, and a lower power older PAF style pickup. The betetr and older the wod is, the more traditonally l;ower output and better , sweeter tone through a amp that isnt all about compression, but has more old skpooo sag and sweeter cleans.
No, tis isnt a surprise at all. You could use a concrte block with sweep and tpappin with a a staruated compreessed amp.
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Nothing is "in the fingers" for purposes of legitimate gear discussion.And ntothign surprised me.
That idiots sweep pick and tapping turns to slop when the gain is turned down. There isnt honestly one lick in that guys repoitoire that would fly on a ol skool cranked Deluxe reverb. Thats why old blues guys are so great. They play clean-on-the -edge of breakup, and they have to have real contact with fingers on strings, and clean and sherp licks, with a lot of muscle ...not that junk the fool hear is trying to pass off as legitimate.
Its the high output pickup doing all of that guys sustain.it picks up more vibrations from that POS plank that he is using. The point os for real tone, you need a great piece of wood, and a lower power older PAF style pickup. The betetr and older the wod is, the more traditonally l;ower output and better , sweeter tone through a amp that isnt all about compression, but has more old skpooo sag and sweeter cleans.
No, tis isnt a surprise at all. You could use a concrte block with sweep and tpappin with a a staruated compreessed amp.
Nothing is "in the fingers" for purposes of legitimate gear discussion.And ntothign surprised me.
That idiots sweep pick and tapping turns to slop when the gain is turned down. There isnt honestly one lick in that guys repoitoire that would fly on a ol skool cranked Deluxe reverb. Thats why old blues guys are so great. They play clean-on-the -edge of breakup, and they have to have real contact with fingers on strings, and clean and sherp licks, with a lot of muscle ...not that junk the fool hear is trying to pass off as legitimate.
Its the high output pickup doing all of that guys sustain.it picks up more vibrations from that POS plank that he is using. The point os for real tone, you need a great piece of wood, and a lower power older PAF style pickup. The betetr and older the wod is, the more traditonally l;ower output and better , sweeter tone through a amp that isnt all about compression, but has more old skpooo sag and sweeter cleans.
No, tis isnt a surprise at all. You could use a concrte block with sweep and tpappin with a a staruated compreessed amp.
kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
Show us how its done man?
Show us how its done man?
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??
I dont use those gimmicks. I love the old blues direct heavy and hard contact with strings, clear clean licks, a fender on the edge of breakup. It doesn't hide slop playing like taps and sweeping on a highly saturated and compressed amp. And that is NOT guitar sustain..That guy with his plank couldnt play in a blues band to save his life,all his junk is slop playing with a good old amp.. and that plank is tone dead without that hot pickup and that hot compression; That is amp sustain, and pickup sustain. It would do that on a piece of concrete.There are no subtle overtones- no sweet harmonics and 3D tone..that kind odf sweet sustain comes form a high quality body and underpowered pickups, and an old skool amp with sag..Thats all.
Show us how its done man?
I dont use those gimmicks. I love the old blues direct heavy and hard contact with strings, clear clean licks, a fender on the edge of breakup. It doesn't hide slop playing like taps and sweeping on a highly saturated and compressed amp. And that is NOT guitar sustain..That guy with his plank couldnt play in a blues band to save his life,all his junk is slop playing with a good old amp.. and that plank is tone dead without that hot pickup and that hot compression; That is amp sustain, and pickup sustain. It would do that on a piece of concrete.There are no subtle overtones- no sweet harmonics and 3D tone..that kind odf sweet sustain comes form a high quality body and underpowered pickups, and an old skool amp with sag..Thats all.
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