How much does True bypass matter?

Re: How much does True bypass matter?

Very true.

I think Santana has a **** tone, so there we go :D All about opinions, because there aren't many that agree with me!

LMAO, Santana's studio recordings of Black Magic Woman and Evil Ways are displays of incredible guitar tone in my opinion.
 
Re: How much does True bypass matter?

I'd say get an A/B pedal for each pedal you have and use that to bypass them.

I think this is where Bob Bradshaw comes into play. Have him build you a board where each pedal is always on, but the switches merely route the signal around them.
Or just get the materials and build a box yourself. Velcro the pedals inside and mount the A/B switches on the top.
 
Re: How much does True bypass matter?

Not all buffers are created equal, some affect the signal negatively. The boss buffers are fine though. Actually some of those true bypass pedals might be more tone suckers than others depending on the quality of the switch used in there.

There is an article on Tech 21's website regarding buffers thats interesting to read.
 
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Interesting but if you listen closely you can hear different attacks on the the guitar. The only way to purly do this test would be to have two different cords coming out of one guitar going to identical amps. Bottom line is, a buffered pedal or long cable might change your tone, that doesn't mean it will make your tone bad. There are so many different dynamics that affect tone if you spend all of your time worrying about them you will have little time to play.
 
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or you can record a base guitar sound and "re-amp" thru the different chains

way easier
 
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There are so many different dynamics that affect tone if you spend all of your time worrying about them you will have little time to play.

So, you're onto me...
 
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My favorite true bypass is Texas State Highway 130 ... 80 - 85 MPH and smooth.

I wonder if something I've experienced suggests the need for a buffer. Right now on my main board I run and OD into a fuzz.

I can adjust the tone and output of of each independently as if I might select one or the other. Then, if I am running the OD and then kick on the fuzz the volume drops and some highs roll off.

It doesn't really bother me because I never run the fuzz alone. So I adjust the OD for the sound I want with it alone, and then I leave it on while I adjust the fuzz to work with it.

Does it sound like I need a buffer in there somewhere. At home my guitar cord is 10 -12 ft. > 8 pedals including the tuner > and then about a 3' cord to the amp.
 
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Are there any modern pedals with atrociously bad buffers?

And this "hardwire bypass" -- how is it different from a buffer? Why does it sound like an alternate name for true bypass?
 
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Not all buffers are created equal, some affect the signal negatively. The boss buffers are fine though. Actually some of those true bypass pedals might be more tone suckers than others depending on the quality of the switch used in there.

This is generally true, but I would add that not even all Boss pedal's buffers are created equal. There are some genuine tone killers in the Boss lineup as well. The DM-2 Analog Delay, SG-1 Slow Gear and DC-2 Dimension C are all tone thieves, despite the fact that they are great sounding effects when engaged.

We can't just say 'buffer' and have it mean one thing. Like anything, some are better than others. When Pete Cornish talks about a buffer, he's not talking specifically about the buffer in a cheap Boss pedal. As simple a circuit as it is, it can still come down to components and implementation. So we can't just say, "My Boss pedal has a buffer...Pete Cornish recommends buffers, so I'm in line with Pete Cornish." A poorly implemented buffer can do more harm than good.

To quote Mike Ibrahim from MI Audio, "The primary role of a buffer on a mass produced pedal is not to ‘rescue’ your guitar tone from degradation, but rather to drive the low quality transistor based switching system. The input impedance of these buffer circuits are thus designed not to keep all of the top end sparkle of your guitar tone. In some cases, the input impedance of this buffer is as low as 200kOhms, which is 25 times lower than the input impedance of the Boost ‘n’ Buff circuit." Sure, he wants to sell us his pedal, but he makes a valid point.

The basic rule of thumb should be, if you find a pedal that has a negative effect on your clean signal when disengaged, put it in a bypass looper. All of this discussion of buffers is only relevant when you have nothing engaged on your pedal board, your 'straight through' signal. If you are happy with the way it sounds, you need not be concerned about buffers. If you feel there's room for improvement, you can run some experiments on the pedals in your chain and see if there are any offenders. If there are, you can run them in a true bypass looper and take them out of the straight through chain.

As has been mentioned, too many true bypass pedals without some sort of buffer to drive the high impedance signal of your guitar output through a bunch of cable and connectors will also negatively impact your tone. In this case, a quality buffer will negate the capacitance of the cable run and deliver you a tone through your pedalboard that is closer to plugging straight into the amp. Where you place the buffer in the chain is also a matter of personal preference. For many years, I ran a buffer after my overdrives and distortions, because I didn't like what the buffer did to those pedals running before them. Recently, I got a modded EB Jr volume pedal that has a variable impedance buffer, and its quality is so good, and it is so well voiced, that it actually improves the sound of my overdrives and distortions...go figure.
 
Re: How much does True bypass matter?

My favorite true bypass is Texas State Highway 130 ... 80 - 85 MPH and smooth.

I wonder if something I've experienced suggests the need for a buffer. Right now on my main board I run and OD into a fuzz.

I can adjust the tone and output of of each independently as if I might select one or the other. Then, if I am running the OD and then kick on the fuzz the volume drops and some highs roll off.

It doesn't really bother me because I never run the fuzz alone. So I adjust the OD for the sound I want with it alone, and then I leave it on while I adjust the fuzz to work with it.

Does it sound like I need a buffer in there somewhere. At home my guitar cord is 10 -12 ft. > 8 pedals including the tuner > and then about a 3' cord to the amp.

That's the result of the OD slamming the fuzz's buffer, and compressing. Even if you set the fuzz higher to compensate for the effect, if you're running the fuzz alone and kick on the OD, you'll get the same drop.
I was just dealing with this moments ago with my M13.
 
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Are there any modern pedals with atrociously bad buffers?

And this "hardwire bypass" -- how is it different from a buffer? Why does it sound like an alternate name for true bypass?

Probably because it is.

That would be like wiring a switch in your guitar that in one position your pickups go to the volume and tone, but in the other position the pickups go straight to the jack.
 
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Lots of good, practical info. here. Seems as if the fanatics haven't posted yet. :lol:

I usually only use 3 pedals at a time, but do have an 8 pedal board. I'm not able to detect a difference thru the 8 (all off) or going direct to the amp. The one point that was mentioned earlier, but only once, was the silent switching of non-true bypass. True bypass gives a 'pop' which I find more annoying that any real tone change.

As a side bar, some companies claim to make true bypass pedals which really aren't. Want to verify? Remove the battery and/or disconnect the power supply and see if the signal still passes thru. Yes=true bypass.
 
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I would add that not even all Boss pedal's buffers are created equal. There are some genuine tone killers in the Boss lineup as well. The DM-2 Analog Delay, SG-1 Slow Gear and DC-2 Dimension C are all tone thieves, despite the fact that they are great sounding effects when engaged.
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This is all true. I would like to add the ce-2 and ce-3 as well as the super phaser to the list (there are probably more but these are pedals that ive owned or own).
The new WAZA craft dm-2w tho....that has a nice sounding bypass setup so boss have obviously looked at that in the design process.
 
Re: How much does True bypass matter?

This is all true. I would like to add the ce-2 and ce-3 as well as the super phaser to the list (there are probably more but these are pedals that ive owned or own).
The new WAZA craft dm-2w tho....that has a nice sounding bypass setup so boss have obviously looked at that in the design process.

The boss fender reverb 63, and the boss tremolo. Do they mess with the tone? Was just about to buy those, also a boss delay pedal?
 
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LMAO, Santana's studio recordings of Black Magic Woman and Evil Ways are displays of incredible guitar tone in my opinion.

Ahh, it's all subjective. My old man plays too, and we routinely disagree over tone. We all hear things differently I guess.
 
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^^Hard to say, boss makes so many pedals that its hard to keep track of the tone offenders. There is a difference between their dd3, dd7 & dd20 in the way that they treat the input signal, i would recommend the tc flashback delay, you get the option to choose between true & buffered bypass via an internal switch, same deal with the rest of their toneprint lineup i think. The visual sound single tap delay is also a good option. There are some other manufactures that you could look into for trem & reverb.
 
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Yes, there are pedals out there that are tone sucks or bleed the effect tone when not activated. I think the offenders are few/vintage and true bypass for the most part is a marketing ploy to get musicians to pay a premium for a pedal. Just another line on a product page and one more thing for the sales guy to pimp the box.
 
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The boss fender reverb 63, and the boss tremolo. Do they mess with the tone? Was just about to buy those, also a boss delay pedal?

dunno. The 63 reverb pedal is a digital amp emulator so i've never been interesting in trying it so i can't comment.

The tremolo pedal tho...my good friend and pro guitarist uses a stock one on his pedal board sitting right alongside lovepedal and keeley stuff (and a special you beaut true bypass custom voiced overdrive that i built for him) and he loves it sitting in the line between his vintage 50s gibson L5 and tweed fender bassman. I guess that means it sounds pretty good.
 
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