HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

ok, finally getting around to doing this....

I've got the 2 Texas Specials wired as normal, neck white to switch, neck yellow to switch, both blacks to ground.

As for the JB, I guess I "deciphered" it wrong.... in bridge position I get no sound, and in bridge/middle position I get no sound.

The only wiring I re-did was from the pickups; all the other switch/pot wiring was left as is (this is a Fender HSS to begin with, I simply removed the stock pickups and installed the new ones)

This is the Fender wiring code, and how it was wired stock
Green = HOT (north start) - soldered to end tab on switch (as normal)
Bare (gnd) - soldered to ground
Red (south start) - soldered to ground
White (north finish) + Black (south finish) - wired to switch on same lug
Diagram: https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/...op 014471XXXX Service Manual REV A 5-4-16.pdf

So, the JB... I know I have to reverse the hot and ground.

SD's code:
Black = HOT (north start)
Green = ground (south start)
Bare = ground
Red (south finish)
White (north finish)

So all I did was reverse the green and black wires, and soldered the red+white to the same lug as Fender's black+white was soldered to.

Anybody lend a hand? I checked all the connections, everything is solid...

 

[gregory]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

I can help you if you provide a picture.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

The only connections I made:

the bottom of the switch: Left to right:
Green- bridge hot (originally ground) / yellow- middle hot / white - neck hot

the top of the switch:
2nd lug, red+white for coil split

grounds:
black neck, black middle, black + bare from bridge

 

[gregory]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Really hard to see what's going on with that switch. Two pictures or detailing the wires for each of the two poles (two sets of 4 lugs) and an indication of where the nondescript wires are going would help. From the picture it seems you're trying to use the top pole to spit and assign tone controls. This would explain the shorting.

The tone controls are to be connected directly to the pickups to which you want them assigned. You should also use a second cap to keep them independent.

...unless you don't want to split the JB.

BTW, you'll be splitting the JB to the screw coil if you just follow the diagram you provided and simply reverse the black and green on the JB and pull the red/white pair to ground when splitting. To split to the slug coil further changes will be necessary.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Really hard to see what's going on with that switch. Two pictures or detailing the wires for each of the two poles (two sets of 4 lugs) and an indication of where the nondescript wires are going would help. From the picture it seems you're trying to use the top pole to spit and assign tone controls. This would explain the shorting.

The tone controls are to be connected directly to the pickups to which you want them assigned. You should also use a second cap to keep them independent.

...unless you don't want to split the JB.

BTW, you'll be splitting the JB to the screw coil if you just follow the diagram you provided and simply reverse the black and green on the JB and pull the red/white pair to ground when splitting. To split to the slug coil further changes will be necessary.

OK, well, first: sorry the pic isn't more clear. But it is wired exactly like the Fender diagram, as that is how it was stock, and I just copied it.... after reversing the JB's black and green.

As for the other stuff, like where the tone pots are wired, and the coil split going to to top lug, again- yes: that's how Fender had it wired, I didn't move the tone control wires, and I'm using the same lug for the split that Fender did. It seemed to work before... in the Fender link it not only shows the wiring, but what coils are active.

That's what's confusing me... I copied the wiring it had, and it's not working lol.

A for which coil in the JB to split to, ah... I guess I'd be looking for the slug coil if I want position 4 to be more stratty?


BTW, I did detail which wires went to which lugs above. But let me get more specific"

Black = HOT (north start) swapped for green, so SD green wire now goes to switch lug, as normal
Green = ground (south start) swapped for black wire, black wire now goes with bare to ground
Bare = ground
Red (south finish) Red+White soldered to same lug Fender's Black+white was soldered to
White (north finish)

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Here's how the Fender is wired, stock:



And here's what that get you:

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Tone pot wires connected to "bottom" lugs, same side as pickup outputs. Only top lugs used are:

Left to right: Top lugs

1 n/a --- 2 split --- 3 gnd --- 4n/a



Bottom lugs, left to right:

1 bridge hot --- 2 middle hot/tone2 --- 3 neck hot/tone1 --- 4 output to vol pot

 

[gregory]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

That should have worked.

I need better pictures of the switch. It could be that blob of solder on the middle pickup is shorting something. There's a lot of it and it looks pretty bad.

Did you check with a meter to see that there isn't a short on your humbucker wiring? You should see about 8k between the black/ground and the red/white pair as well as 8k between the green and the red/white pair.

Will the slug coil make position 2 more Stratty? I'd try each way and find out. Rotating the JB provides two more options.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

That should have worked.


Did you check with a meter to see that there isn't a short on your humbucker wiring? You should see about 8k between the black/ground and the red/white pair as well as 8k between the green and the red/white pair.

.

I disconnected the JB from everything.

I get only 3.0K between the green / black+gnd
I get only 4.5K between the red+wht / black+gnd

...so I've got a defective JB? It's brand new! I just took it out of the box today!


FWIW, after disconnecting the JB, the middle pickup now works in position #4.

 

[gregory]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

What do you get between green and red/white?

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

What do you get between green and red/white?

4.5K

This was a "mint-open box" item, and I NOW notice the seller said it is NOT covered by manufacture's warranty... I think I just got screwed...

 

[gregory]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

If you separate all 5 wires you should get the following:

Between Red and Green ~8k

Between Black and White ~8k

Between any other combination should be an open circuit.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

red green 8.8
black white 8.9
everything else .7Mohms - 1.5Mohms

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

BTW, thanks for the help, it is very appreciated. I've swapped more than a few pickups in my life, but have never had this happen before... I have occasionally found a loose solder joint, but I always have been able to remedy everything with a good going-over/resolder.

 

[gregory]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

You're welcome. It would seem your pickup is fine. Perhaps the cable was pinched.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Well, thanks for that. I'll closely examine the switch (which was working fine before), then try to re-solder. At that point, I wouldn't know what to do except replace the switch (which is brand new- the guitar is brand new lol)

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Sigh. I just inspected the switch, saw no renegade solder. Re-soldered the JB back in carefully, just as before (to match the Fender diagram), and again... no sound in positions 4 & 5.

So, that being the case, is the only thing left a switch problem? Like, somehow now there is a tab or 2 inside the switch that is not making contact??? EDIT: I checked that too, and everything seems to be making contact as normal? Altho, as I said, I'm no expert, so maybe something is making contact that SHOULDN'T be?

I'm at a loss.

I tried unsoldering the split (red+white) from the switch (left them soldered together tho), and it had no effect. I thought maybe I could at least get the humbucker alone, but no. So the problem lies with the green (now hot) and black+shield (gnd) connections.

 

[Hank-]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Interchange the wires of the middle & bridge pickups connecting to the switch. If the JB works in middle(3) position & the SC in bridge(5) position now doesn't work then your switch is faulty or bad solder job.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

I've ordered a new switch, that will eliminate that.

 

[ruger9]

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Wow. I'm going to have to call Duncan I guess.... new switch, wired as I stated above, still no sound on the bridge or bridge +middle. Silence. IDK WTF is going on... but it's definitely the wiring, not the switch. And the JB previously tested fine above...

Would it make any sense that I CAN'T reverse the hot and ground on the JB, but instead MUST reverse them on the Texas Specials? I wouldn't think so, but I figured I'd ask...