Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

[LtKojak]

Ok, let's do this: the time to exercise REAL power is NOW! Let's vote the Form Factor.

There are five (5) possibilities:
* Screw(Filister)/Slug (conventional HB coil config)
* Screw(Filister)/Screw(Filister) (à la Gibson Dirty Fingers)
* Screw(Hexhead)/Screw(Filister) (à la Screaming Demon)
* Screw(Hexhead)/Screw(Hexhead) (à la Full Shred)
* Screw(Hexhead)/Slug (never seen one like it?)

This poll will run for ten days from now, so talk to your guitar player friends, colleagues, bandmates, Gfs, etc, consult the choices if you're not sure, then make your voice heard by voting!

Note: the p'ups mentioned are there to simply illustrate the FORM factor, NOT the sound. The new p'ups' voicing will be discussed and voted later on.

Yours very truly,

 

[superpete]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I might be in the minority, but I can't vote for a form without a voicing. The sound is the only thing I care about, and I can't vote for a screw configuration until I know how it will complement that.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I might be in the minority, but I can't vote for a form without a voicing. The sound is the only thing I care about, and I can't vote for a screw configuration until I know how it will complement that.

Look, with all due respect, LtKojak is in charge of polling and this is what's being voted on first. If you don't want to vote, you don't have to, but don't derail the thread in the first post.

Since everything else is configurable at this point, I suggest simply voting on the screw/slug aesthetic you'd like to see. In the end, we'll be relying on the magic hands at the Custom Shop for final tweaking of the design to achieve our desired voicing anyway.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I might be in the minority, but I can't vote for a form without a voicing. The sound is the only thing I care about, and I can't vote for a screw configuration until I know how it will complement that.

Then the choice is the first: screw/slug.

HTH,

 

[firebirdguy72]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I was gonna post this in the other thread but it's been deleted. Anyway IMHO voting on the form factor first seems like putting the cart before the horse. Shouldn't we have a vote on what the pickup is actually going to be first? Like whether or not it's going to be a neck companion for the 59/custom or a standalone neck/bridge set that is completely new. Some people might want a double fillister screw coil only if it's a pickup to match the 59/custom. Some might want Allen head/fillister screw combo only if it's a PG/PB hybrid. IMHO The first vote should be about the foundation of the pickup. Which would be the voicing not the screw arrangement.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

:dunno:

As opinions go, I do agree with Firebirdguy72 that a neck companion to a 59/Custom should, by all common sense, be the ideal companion aesthetically as much as tonally.

That said, I'm seeing this whole forum pickup relaunch as a "clean slate" vote...forget your preconceived notions of this being based on a 59/Custom neck, a PG/PB hybrid, a completely different CS "set", etc. Ultimately, this ride goes wherever LtKojak takes it in response to the answers he receives from his polls. Hint: If you want a chance at a standard looking pickup, you better vote "screw/slug" here

For anyone lacking serious flexibility and patience, the Custom Shop is accepting orders for YOUR specific design right now! One phone call can lock in a totally normal looking "59/Custom Neck" if that's what you really want...

Forum designed pickups these days are truly a roll of the dice and more people = more opinions = more wants and needs. We all know the process is flawed and may not result in something we want/like, but it takes a serious commitment to head the project for an entire forum, so kudos to LtKojak for taking the reigns. I'm tired of the circular arguing that snuffs out the project as a whole and I'm just rolling with whatever comes our way at this point. At the end of the day, if I like it, I'll buy it. If not, no harm, no foul.

 

[firebirdguy72]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

That said, I'm seeing this whole forum pickup relaunch as a "clean slate" vote...forget your preconceived notions of this being based on a 59/Custom neck, a PG/PB hybrid, a completely different CS "set", etc.

I agree completely. In my original post i was stating my opinion that with a brand new slate starting the voting off with with something as miniscule like screw arrangement doesn't seem like the best idea. If it truly is a clean slate then we would need to start at the foundation of the pickup. Which again would be the voicing. I don't want to seem ungrateful for Lt.Kojak' s time and expertise on the subject because I am grateful for it. I just wanted to voice my concerns.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

, I'm seeing this whole forum pickup relaunch as a "clean slate" vote...

If this is a clean slate launch then starting the form factor is way way putting the cart before the horse. If we are doing a clean slate then the concept needs to be clear. I was also under the impression that Kojack was just suppose to finish what was started.

If we are going back to square one this needs to be treated as square one and really this means that Kojacks double screw idea got jumped ahead of everything else.

The idea of a hybrid was semi settled upon after what? 5 or 6 votes that eliminated all other form factors including the Z idea.

So if this is really a clean slate launch it needs to be one. Not Kojack gets to start from his idea and go foreward.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I agree completely. In my original post i was stating my opinion that with a brand new slate starting the voting off with with something as miniscule like screw arrangement doesn't seem like the best idea.

The whole point in the previous iterations of this was to avoid what happened with the fuglybucker where the form factor dictated what happened. This is suppose to be approached from sound concept first and let the form factor be dictated like that. Now the form factor and in particular Kojacks desired form factor is being pushed ahead of all others. If we are going to vote on form factor why have we already eliminated possibilities other than round poles? If this is how we are going to go about this why can we not vote on if some wants rails or something else.

Sorry but to me this is very bass ackwards way of approaching this.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

AGAIN?!

STOP focussing on the form factor.

START focussing on ****ING TONE!!!!!!



I think the majority's needs are clear: companion for the 59/C hybrid. WHY hammer down the visual side of things down again, when it's tone we need?! Hand over the wish list, something like this.
_______________________________________________________________

hey Scott, Dear M.J.,

I'm speaking on behalf of the Seymour Duncan User Forum Group (SDUFG) and we have decided upon the pickup we desire for the 2014/2015 edition of the SDUFG Pickup.

Since the '59/Custom Hybrid was in fact a forum 'invention' we feel the need to have a dedicated pickup for the neck position as well.

Here are two segments the forum still has to decide on (the RIGHT question!). the first segment will be green, the second red: we, the forum, need to decide.


We frankly don't really care what kinds of coils are being used, as long as the pickup is a match to the bridge pickup in terms of tone and output.

Since the 59/Custom is a hybrid of existing coils, we want our new Forum Pickup to be made exclusively out of coils that already exist in the lineup of standard pickups (i.e.: no new design, no customshop), to stay in line with the design philosophy of the '59/Custom Hybrid.

We hope to have informed you well enough with enough parameters in order for you to create our newest Forum Pickup.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxx on behalf of the Seymour Duncan User Forum Group.

__________________________________________________________________

These are the two choices, the only two that matter. If MJ/SD/Derek believes we need a dual slug pickup, we'll get a double slug. If they feel we need slug/hex or hex/fillister, we'll get just that.

Can we PLEASE stop going round in circles? I'm tired of it.


Yours Sincerely,


Orpheo

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I think the majority's needs are clear: companion for the 59/C hybrid. WHY hammer down the visual side of things down again, when it's tone we need?! Hand over the wish list, something like this. etc..

Yah I know in the past me and you have gone the rounds and had difficulty seeing eye to eye but... this is dead on the money. I would be 100% happy if this was what was sent down the pike.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

Guys... everything that'll happen comes from voting.

Vote if you wish, if you don't then don't.

If only ten votes will decide the direction of the next step, then be it.

This is NOT *my* personal p'up. I don't have any more power than my vote... that counts for only one.

Ten days, then next step. As simple as that.

If you have something to say, say it by voting. Or not. It's up to you!

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I was gonna post this in the other thread but it's been deleted.

Yeah, sorry 'bout that; I've never done a poll before, so I forgot one of the parameters.

Mea culpa!

 

[Myaccount876]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

Didn't you say design by committee doesn't work? Then what's this?

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I voted for filister/slug. If this is going to be a companion to the '59/Custom hybrid, not only does it aesthetically match that way, but those two factors affect tone. Since the '59/C is filister/slug and takes some tonal qualities from that, I feel that the matching neck should have those same features.

My only difference with Orpheo is that I believe the neck pickup should be the combination of an existing SH-1n coil and a new Custom (capital C) neck coil. The second coil should be wound with 43ga wire and should be underwound to the same relative degree that the '59 neck and bridge are to each other. That way you have the same relationship between masses of copper on each coil that the bridge '59/C has, so you have the same hum rejection as the bridge unit, and the tone will have the same relative difference from the bridge to neck as the '59.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

Didn't you say design by committee doesn't work? Then what's this?

My point exactly.

@gilmourD: another good choice.


Personally I believe we have to go with 2 existing coils, 1 43awg and 1 42awg. IMHO the best choices would be, respectively, the 59n and sh6n. They fit the bill in terms of specs and tone. Versatile enough to take almost any magnet.

But the. Again, who am I (besides the guy who has tried over 150 hybrids to date)?

So. Make a new poll, the proper on this time around.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

My point exactly.

@gilmourD: another good choice.


Personally I believe we have to go with 2 existing coils, 1 43awg and 1 42awg. IMHO the best choices would be, respectively, the 59n and sh6n. They fit the bill in terms of specs and tone. Versatile enough to take almost any magnet.

But the. Again, who am I (besides the guy who has tried over 150 hybrids to date)?

So. Make a new poll, the proper on this time around.

If the SH-6n (formerly SH-7, as you have blogged about) is wound with 43ga wire, then it is in the approximate range. The '59 neck is 7.43K which is 91.39% of the '59 bridge at 8.13K. The Custom is 14.1K, so that's 12.89K for a neck version, which is within the margin of error the SH-6n which is listed at 12.7K (which is just about 90% of the bridge Custom, if we're rounding).

Now, I dunno if there's a different type of wire used between the SH-6n and the SH-5/11/14 or a different winding technique that would make it drastically different from the Custom bridge (like Frank Falbo said, the JB and the Distortion are not the same coils even though the DC resistance spec is really close).

 

[dominus]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

My point exactly.

@gilmourD: another good choice.


Personally I believe we have to go with 2 existing coils, 1 43awg and 1 42awg. IMHO the best choices would be, respectively, the 59n and sh6n. They fit the bill in terms of specs and tone. Versatile enough to take almost any magnet.

But the. Again, who am I (besides the guy who has tried over 150 hybrids to date)?

So. Make a new poll, the proper on this time around.

Then why not just build it yourself if you're using existing coils? Think of it this way, if it's a new design, you get more coils to play with.

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

(like Frank Falbo said, the JB and the Distortion are not the same coils even though the DC resistance spec is really close).

I do not believe I ever said that. If you have a link let me know.

 

[El Dunco]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

Less fighting! More voting!