I am freaking out right now (cool story)

[Lewguitar]

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Re: FREE 71 Superlead halfstack!!!

YES, YES, YES, ......You snooze, you lose! I went over to this dude's house this morning, and told him I was from the Salvation Army! I asked him if he had any old clothes and musical equipment taking up space, and he even helped me put his 71 Superlead halfstack and flanger pedal into the back of my truck!!!!!
He DONATED it to me!!!!! :fingersx: :banana:

:dance: :dance: :dance: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Wow! Does he have a sister? Maybe she has a broken 59 Les Paul hidden in her closet! :laugh2:

Lew

 

[JeffB]

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The dad just actually posted it up on Ebay...


here it is :laugh2:

 

[75lespaul]

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The dad just actually posted it up on Ebay...


here it is :laugh2:

Oh, that is CRUEL! :laugh2:

I'm still friggin laughing Jeff. No offense K. That was funny.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

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lolol

Well your right there is no guarentee its a marshall, he just SAID it was. I want to find out SOOO bad but hes not oging to his dads fo awhile and I dont think sneaking over to his sheds gunna be productive.

 

[kramer]

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The making of a new "My name is Earl" episode?

Randy: What's karma?
Earl: I don't know, it's something Carson Daly came up with.

 

[Xeromus]

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Jesus why does everyone think "vintage" is better. It's in the same boat as thinking "new" is better. Just because something is old doesn't make it good. Just because something is new doesn't make it good.

Good is good. You have to find that out on your own.

 

[Skarekrough]

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'A required maturity level to own vintage gear?'

No way dude. That's just pompous. You get the gear you get however you get it, and if you have something and you want to modify it that's YOUR choice.

Rarely do the young appreciate things for what they are.

It's called being inexperienced...and it's what the market for things like Zima and Purple Passion were founded upon.

I wish there were MORE vintage guitars routed for humbuckers and floyds, or cool refinishes that you can't get from the factory. It's like, seeing a dude with a normal cherry red SG is cool I guess, but everybody and their gramma has a cherry red SG. If I saw somebody playing a GREEN SG with Telecaster pickups, I'd say "Wow what a unique and interesting player," because he took something he kind of liked and made it into something that's totally his.

And I wish that everyone that took a router to a guitar body had a mishap and landed it in their genitals.

We do not own guitars...we are their caretakers for our lifespans.

History is rife with peices of artwork that were butchered to accomodate a fleeting trend or mangled in some way because it was "du jour" and trendy to do so.

Lacking the comprehension that we will leave this world behind us and that our posessions will remain is to think like a child who has no sense of their own mortality.

Are you gonna NOT change the PUPs in YOUR PERSONAL GUITAR COLLECTION just in case the value appreciates in 50 years? HELL NO. You're gonna be just like the rest of us and mod and tweak your axe until it's exactly how you like it. That's half of the fun of being a guitarist.

Actually, the argument should be that if you do not like it then you couldn't of been all that smart to have plunked down the money for it in the first place.

Half the fun of being a guitarist, as I see it, is finding an instrument that has lived and reverberated in the state it's in for a great length of time and being able to appreciate it for the time span which we will be on the Earth with it.

There's a bond there, a karma, a mojo that's only found in an instrument that is as it was intended to be upon creation and has gone unmolested by te short-sighted goons that are usually trying to make it sound like something it isn't.

I'm all for making a custom axe....if you have the Jones for something that doesn't exist then I think you need to hedge your bets on something that will never be worth something or building something from Warmoth.

 

[Davey]

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no.. i dissagree completely.


i'm ALL for taking a guitar and taking it to a completely new level by personalising it. if it means taking a router to it, so be it.
i wont sit and look at the guitar saying, oh i wish it would have this.. or have that.

i dont have the money for an all out custom guitar. but this doesnt mean i will let myself be limited to stock gear only. no freakin way.

my point of view:
we're not living long enough to NOT experiment with gear

 

[The Golden Boy]

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'A required maturity level to own vintage gear?'

No way dude. That's just pompous. You get the gear you get however you get it, and if you have something and you want to modify it that's YOUR choice.

I wish there were MORE vintage guitars routed for humbuckers and floyds, or cool refinishes that you can't get from the factory. It's like, seeing a dude with a normal cherry red SG is cool I guess, but everybody and their gramma has a cherry red SG. If I saw somebody playing a GREEN SG with Telecaster pickups, I'd say "Wow what a unique and interesting player," because he took something he kind of liked and made it into something that's totally his.

It's not about being "pompous." It's about being able to appreciate a piece of gear for what it is. Especially guitars. It's not so much the monetary value- it's that the guitar is what it is because of what it is. You don't appreciate that, you shouldn't own a "vintage" guitar. It's not your thing. "Vintage" guitars are for people that appreciate them for what they are- not for someone to hack up and refin make it a test bed for something or other. I'm not a corksniffin' vintage snob- I'm someone who loves guitars, I love the history of guitars. I love thinking about where that guitar has been before I had it. Each one has a story, it's a piece of history you can be a part of. Too many people get "vintage" gear because it's cool, regardless of if it suits them or not- they've got a cool vintage piece. Once it settles in that that vintage piece isn't doing what you want it to do, you settle on "making it yours" and making it do what you want it to do, rather than making it do what it does.

I haven't heard it yet, but "a guitar is a tool." And tools do what they're designed to do. Regardless of how kickass your hammer is, you're not going to use it for driving in screws.

I've been fortunate enough have owned a bunch of "player" vintage guitars. There's something about the feel of them that I love. I've swapped pickups, I've replaced bridges and tuners- and the only wood I've recently removed from was putting a P-90 in my Epi Olympic- but that was far from a "no-issues" guitar. I've also owned a bunch of guitars that somebody did something to "customize" their guitars. Travis Bean S/N 117- somebody drilled a bunch of holes in the top to put in mini-toggles. My '65 Jazz Bass- somebody sanded down the Fiesta Red finish, and stained it Walnut and brushed lacquer. My 59 LP Special was routed out for humbuckers and it was 'restored' back to P-90s. My 81 Park MV has 2 holes drilled in the chassis, probably because the owner wanted an effects send/return. Those pieces of gear bear the scars of their previous ownership- long after the person that messed them up discarded them.

A buddy of mine has a LP Deluxe with a full size humbucker in the bridge and a Kahler. For years he swore he got it like that- but after I saw pictures of him when he got the guitar, as a stock LP Deluxe- he said "hey, I was 16!"

As you said, "you want to modify it that's YOUR choice" but you should have the foresight and maturity to make a wise choice.

We do not own guitars...we are their caretakers for our lifespans.

History is rife with peices of artwork that were butchered to accomodate a fleeting trend or mangled in some way because it was "du jour" and trendy to do so.

Lacking the comprehension that we will leave this world behind us and that our posessions will remain is to think like a child who has no sense of their own mortality.

 

[seafoamer]

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veddy interestin' discussion about the vintagey goodness.

 

[Davey]

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i dont know if you understand the - back then .. and now.

now, you can get stuff you once, had to break out your power tools, around every corner. back in the 70's you didnt. in the 70's the guitars and amps you bought, then werent as valuable as they are today..

a 55 strat cost you 500$ then.. now look what the go for .. 75k. if you knew back then, that they would apretiate in value, you'd probably get 10 and stick them into a closet.

same with a late 50's gibson.

if someone takes a router to a guitar that is that old, is out of his mind because he is destroying a piece of history, and he could get something like it, new and wouldnt need to do any serious mods to it.

now to say that younger people dont apretiate the value of a vintage guitar just because people, IN YOUR YOUTH (you old farts), routed guitars for humbuckers and locking tremolos, when (todays vintage) guitars were a dime a dozen, is completely ignorant.

today you can get strats with humbuckers, back then you couldnt. today guitars have floyds, when the floyd was release there was no guitar with one, untill charvel came along. back then no amp had a 2nd/3rd gain stage or an effects loop, so people worked on what they had. today every little amp has an effects loop.
yes some amps/guitars were destroyed in the process and lost their value. SO FUKKIN WHAT!
it's not like you can afford a dead mint plexi. what's in it for you? abso-fukkin-lutely NOTHING.

so as much as i care, you can go f*ck yourself and the horse you rode in on (rudely speaking) because it wont stop people from modding their guitar into what they want. what is vintage today is too damn pricy anyway for anybody but a collector. and do you care what some kid does to a 600$ strat? no? well, back then they didnt either. so shuttup




foamy.. can i borrow your 175? *see signature*





ok, ok, ok ... i'll get off my high horse now. so, what you are saying is, that people should leave the guitars they buy, dead stock? so it might be worth something in 40 years?
keep dreaming

 

[seafoamer]

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foamy.. can i borrow your 175? *see signature*

yes, but the 175 gets the Kahler, & the floyd goes on the jr.

 

[Davey]

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yes, but the 175 gets the Kahler, & the floyd goes on the jr.

i can live with that.. a bit hard fitting a floyd on the hollowbody anyway.. surface mount trem makes more sense

 

[Skarekrough]

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ok, ok, ok ... i'll get off my high horse now. so, what you are saying is, that people should leave the guitars they buy, dead stock? so it might be worth something in 40 years?
keep dreaming

Maybe not THAT severe.....but mostly, yeah.

The GearHead mentality is contrary to what preserving a perfectly good and potentially valuable instrument would end up being.

In a sense I kind of view it like I do hiking and camping; do no damage and leave as little evidence that you were ever there. Enjoy the place, but leave, at most, tracks.

If you're unable to do that then at least leave the instrument in a state where it can be put back to it's original specs. Replace a pickup, sure...if you absolutely must. But pick up a router? No way....

I think alot of this is that I came up in an era where we saw guitar after guitar we knew would be worth something someday mangled by the incredibly short-sighted who had more money than brains but yet refused to buy the right tool for the right job. Instead they chose to drive nails with a saw and now the carcasses litter guitar shows all across the country, instruments cast-off with the phrase "Wow...what was I thinking?"

The answer is, in short, you were thinking that "Ratt" was the greatest band alive and that nothing could EVER possibly change that. Their pennance for their sins should have to be to live with their decision rather than unloading the axe at a loss and then summarily claiming they never did that.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

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Yeah, back in the 70's-80s these guys had NO IDEA what these things would be in the future, just like us now. How do we know in 40 years a stock 60th anniversary Fender wont be worth over 8 grand? We can pick one up now for under 2!!! you know what I mean?
I'm sure if they knew whatd it be wort htheyd buy a second and mod 1 :lol:

 

[seafoamer]

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We do not own guitars...we are their caretakers for our lifespans.

F-that! If my ES-175 isn't hung up at either the R&R Hall o Fame, a Hard Rock Cafe of my choice, or the Smithsonian, then I'ma be cremated, poured into the f-holes and buried in that mutherfuucker.

 

[The Golden Boy]

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i dont know if you understand the - back then .. and now.

now, you can get stuff you once, had to break out your power tools, around every corner. back in the 70's you didnt. in the 70's the guitars and amps you bought, then werent as valuable as they are today..

a 55 strat cost you 500$ then.. now look what the go for .. 75k. if you knew back then, that they would apretiate in value, you'd probably get 10 and stick them into a closet.

same with a late 50's gibson.

if someone takes a router to a guitar that is that old, is out of his mind because he is destroying a piece of history, and he could get something like it, new and wouldnt need to do any serious mods to it.

now to say that younger people dont apretiate the value of a vintage guitar just because people, IN YOUR YOUTH (you old farts), routed guitars for humbuckers and locking tremolos, when (todays vintage) guitars were a dime a dozen, is completely ignorant.

today you can get strats with humbuckers, back then you couldnt. today guitars have floyds, when the floyd was release there was no guitar with one, untill charvel came along. back then no amp had a 2nd/3rd gain stage or an effects loop, so people worked on what they had. today every little amp has an effects loop.
yes some amps/guitars were destroyed in the process and lost their value. SO FUKKIN WHAT!
it's not like you can afford a dead mint plexi. what's in it for you? abso-fukkin-lutely NOTHING.

so as much as i care, you can go f*ck yourself and the horse you rode in on (rudely speaking) because it wont stop people from modding their guitar into what they want. what is vintage today is too damn pricy anyway for anybody but a collector. and do you care what some kid does to a 600$ strat? no? well, back then they didnt either. so shuttup

ok, ok, ok ... i'll get off my high horse now. so, what you are saying is, that people should leave the guitars they buy, dead stock? so it might be worth something in 40 years?
keep dreaming

What I'm saying is that for anyone to come across an old guitar and "mod" it simply to make it yours is foolish, regardless of how much you pay for it. And No, I won't "shuttup." What do I care? That's one more guitar or amp that's messed up by someone who doesn't appreciate what they have. What's in it for me? There are only so many examples of these things, and it's a shame to see a cool piece destroyed by someone who doesn't appreciate what they have.

I fully and completely understand the concept of "now and then."

Routing out a Strat for a humbucker (which happened often enough in the 70s, I guess) is one thing- routing out for a Floyd or a Kahler is entirely a different thing. By the time Floyds and Kahlers were commonly available, 60's Strats were already well revered and coveted instruments. Most of your amp mods were done in the 80s as well- when people were trying to pull more gain out of those amps than they were designed to.

What gets considered "vintage" is always changing. Just a few years ago you could pick up a 50s LP Jr or Special for under a grand- and even more recently you could pick up a no-issues Melody Maker for a couple hundred bucks.

Maybe you're misunderstanding me, I have no problem with taking an off the shelf instrument and carving it up. I have a problem with someone taking an old guitar and carving it up.

 

[That90'sGuy]

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Guitars were made to be played, plain and simple. I cringe thinking of all the doctors and lawyers that collect these marvelous vintage guitars as sheer investments and fancy artwork to show off to their friends.

The beauty of it all is that today, we have so many guitar manufacturers and so many options that we can get virtually anything we want now without having to mod the living heck out of it. Back in the 50's +, those options weren't really available so musicians made the best of what they had and if there was something they needed that wasn't made they had to make it themselves.

 

[Metalman_666]

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I think this discussion has gone off topic from the original cool story. But hell, still makes for a good discussion

I think if you really feel the need to mod an old guitar or amp, and you're fully aware it's something valuable, you go right ahead. It kind of annoys me when people are so concerned about preserving an object's "resale value". Who CARES what it will be worth if you try to sell it to someone else? Who says you want to sell it anyway? I don't know why but it just bothers me; it's like there's something against making an instrument your own. Should people not put Trem systems on their Les Pauls because it will hurt the resale? If it makes the guitar more fun to play for the owner, then I say go for it and don't hold back.

 

[Skarekrough]

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I think if you really feel the need to mod an old guitar or amp, and you're fully aware it's something valuable, you go right ahead. It kind of annoys me when people are so concerned about preserving an object's "resale value". Who CARES what it will be worth if you try to sell it to someone else? Who says you want to sell it anyway? I don't know why but it just bothers me; it's like there's something against making an instrument your own. Should people not put Trem systems on their Les Pauls because it will hurt the resale? If it makes the guitar more fun to play for the owner, then I say go for it and don't hold back.

It's not about the resale but acknowledging that you're changing a tool to be and do something it was never intended to do.

It's about a lack of foresight for the future and the fact that were blessed to have in our posessions some of the most amazing instruments money can buy and that, potentially within our lifetime, we will start to see a serious decrease in some of the supplies we took for granted which make them up.

We do not own them....we are their caretakers until the next generation.

We SHOULD play them...and play them ALOT and enjoy them!