Installing Triple Shot in PRS?!?!
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papersoul
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So, then it won't be the same as the PRS switching. Problem with the PRS is it is not practical as is with the 5 way rotary. I can't quickly change settings on the fly at a gig. Much easier with a toggle if I want to go to the middle position for example.
So, then it won't be the same as the PRS switching. Problem with the PRS is it is not practical as is with the 5 way rotary. I can't quickly change settings on the fly at a gig. Much easier with a toggle if I want to go to the middle position for example.
frankfalbo
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You can pick which coil you want on the Triple Shot. That means that you have the capability to combine two coils that do cancel hum, or two that don't. Typically, a standard P.A.F. style pickup is not RW/RP in the neck. Gibson made both pickups the same, and probably never thought about coil cuts. That means that a screw coil from the neck pickup would hum cancel with the slug coil from the bridge. For "insides/outsides" to be hum cancelling, you need an RW/RP neck pickup. Or you at least need RP (which can be done via magnet flip).
But then another really cool part about the Triple Shot is that you wouldn't have to reverse the wire color codes. You would only reverse the master white and black in the control cavity. That would flip the phase back to "normal" but the coil combinations would all still be the same. The Triple Shot connects the coils in such a way that if you reverse phase at the end, it doesn't change the switch orientation. The traditional simple way to do a coil cut (red/white wires short to ground) would give you the other coil if the phase was reversed. The TS is different. You can mess with phase and the switches still work as intended.
Many OEM's order our neck pickups RW/RP, and all of our passive pickups can be ordered that way. That makes inner/outer coil combinations hum cancelling. Another cheaters way to do it is just to rotate the pickup around. But then you'd have the logo backwards or the screws/slugs reversed, etc.
The P-Rails are the exception. They are made standard RW/RP of eachother. They will hum cancel inside/outside automatically.
You can pick which coil you want on the Triple Shot. That means that you have the capability to combine two coils that do cancel hum, or two that don't. Typically, a standard P.A.F. style pickup is not RW/RP in the neck. Gibson made both pickups the same, and probably never thought about coil cuts. That means that a screw coil from the neck pickup would hum cancel with the slug coil from the bridge. For "insides/outsides" to be hum cancelling, you need an RW/RP neck pickup. Or you at least need RP (which can be done via magnet flip).
But then another really cool part about the Triple Shot is that you wouldn't have to reverse the wire color codes. You would only reverse the master white and black in the control cavity. That would flip the phase back to "normal" but the coil combinations would all still be the same. The Triple Shot connects the coils in such a way that if you reverse phase at the end, it doesn't change the switch orientation. The traditional simple way to do a coil cut (red/white wires short to ground) would give you the other coil if the phase was reversed. The TS is different. You can mess with phase and the switches still work as intended.
Many OEM's order our neck pickups RW/RP, and all of our passive pickups can be ordered that way. That makes inner/outer coil combinations hum cancelling. Another cheaters way to do it is just to rotate the pickup around. But then you'd have the logo backwards or the screws/slugs reversed, etc.
The P-Rails are the exception. They are made standard RW/RP of eachother. They will hum cancel inside/outside automatically.
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Re: Installing Triple Shot in PRS?!?!
Perhaps you need more practice with the rotary then?
I put a 6-way rotary in one of mine - wired for bridge full, bridge split, both full, neck split, neck full, and both split - and I can hit the one I want pretty quickly.
I'm using a regular knurled dome knob, so no "cheating" like with a chickenhead and numbers. I count the clicks from where I am to where I want to be, then hit it.
However, the numbered chickenhead would still be faster, especially if you grind down the internal wheel that runs over the stops so it turns more smoothly.
Perhaps you need more practice with the rotary then?
I put a 6-way rotary in one of mine - wired for bridge full, bridge split, both full, neck split, neck full, and both split - and I can hit the one I want pretty quickly.
I'm using a regular knurled dome knob, so no "cheating" like with a chickenhead and numbers. I count the clicks from where I am to where I want to be, then hit it.
However, the numbered chickenhead would still be faster, especially if you grind down the internal wheel that runs over the stops so it turns more smoothly.
Re: Installing Triple Shot in PRS?!?!
nop, it wont. the triple shots will give you much more combinations, and easier, imho, switching. but I think that the triple shots are actually only really usefull with prails. regular humbuckers can do without them; regular push push pot are good enough. At least, thats how I feel about it.
nop, it wont. the triple shots will give you much more combinations, and easier, imho, switching. but I think that the triple shots are actually only really usefull with prails. regular humbuckers can do without them; regular push push pot are good enough. At least, thats how I feel about it.
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I find the 5 way rotary very tough to use live on the spot. If I need to quickly go from a dirty bridge tone to the middle or one of the middle positions played clean, it is touch to do fast live. I love the tones of series/parallel switching on the PRS, the sounds are nice. I just don't use them in the same songs with songs in which I use humbuckers. I just want to use it like my other guitars, beaing able to switch to the middle or neck for clean.
One problem I see though is the noise with the triple shot since unlike the PRS system, you don't have the hum cancelling.
I may actually try to leave it stock and just installmy new pickups whick are Guitar Force pickups. The owner said he follows the same wiring scheme as Duncan so he referred me to their site. I am assuming I could just install his pickup with the magnet flipped and be good to go.
However, which PRS diagram does one use for a 1994 CE-22? There are two PRS diagrams.
Dr. Newcenstein? What type of rotary do you have - just a knob like a PRS speed knob? That is what I have. How long did it take you to get good at changing positions with that thing?
Thanks.
I find the 5 way rotary very tough to use live on the spot. If I need to quickly go from a dirty bridge tone to the middle or one of the middle positions played clean, it is touch to do fast live. I love the tones of series/parallel switching on the PRS, the sounds are nice. I just don't use them in the same songs with songs in which I use humbuckers. I just want to use it like my other guitars, beaing able to switch to the middle or neck for clean.
One problem I see though is the noise with the triple shot since unlike the PRS system, you don't have the hum cancelling.
I may actually try to leave it stock and just installmy new pickups whick are Guitar Force pickups. The owner said he follows the same wiring scheme as Duncan so he referred me to their site. I am assuming I could just install his pickup with the magnet flipped and be good to go.
However, which PRS diagram does one use for a 1994 CE-22? There are two PRS diagrams.
Dr. Newcenstein? What type of rotary do you have - just a knob like a PRS speed knob? That is what I have. How long did it take you to get good at changing positions with that thing?
Thanks.
Re: Installing Triple Shot in PRS?!?!
from experience I can tell, that the noise isn't really that bad. despite coilsplitting, you don't fully disengage the other coil, the other still works a bit,so you still get a 'bit' humcanceling. its ofcourse not really a scientific talk I'm having here, but splitted, it still isnt as huming as, lets say, a p90. hell, even the p90 side of a prail doesnt hum as a 'real' singlecoil
papersoul
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Re: Installing Triple Shot in PRS?!?!
Hey guys,
So, do you think this is a good idea to do for a PRS with 5 way rotary? I love what the 5 way rotary does, splitting the coils and giving single coil tones all while being relatively noiseless. I never use the humbucking tones and single coil tones within the same song si I really only need to toggle between various pickup positions at gigs.
I think this would be easier just hitting a toggle switch. I would even need a push/pull if I got the triple Shot. then for songs that required single coil sounds I could use the triple shot, set and forget. Plus, I won't have to stick with either the PRS Dragons or Dragon IIs.
Hey guys,
So, do you think this is a good idea to do for a PRS with 5 way rotary? I love what the 5 way rotary does, splitting the coils and giving single coil tones all while being relatively noiseless. I never use the humbucking tones and single coil tones within the same song si I really only need to toggle between various pickup positions at gigs.
I think this would be easier just hitting a toggle switch. I would even need a push/pull if I got the triple Shot. then for songs that required single coil sounds I could use the triple shot, set and forget. Plus, I won't have to stick with either the PRS Dragons or Dragon IIs.
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