Is the G12T-75 any good?

[jack the stripper]

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into Uli Roth/Blackmore/YJM type a lead tones for my neck single coils

Yngwie uses Marshall cabs loaded with G12T-75 drivers he likes high-wattage drivers to prevent cone distortion.

 

[suislidE03]

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VERY modern sounding to me...very scooped and they have a real buzzy high end...I will also add that I have heard VERY few recordings of a G12-75T that had a good sound on tape, plus they get lost in the mix for live playing...no good to me.

I will thoroughly disagree. It depends on the amp big time. When i first had my laney with those speakers it would cut through like butter. Extremely smooth, but the highs were piercing. Ive never heard an amp that cut better than that. Some amps just dont handle those speakers well, and some do.

 

[Usurper666]

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I have 75s in my Marshall 4x12 and I think they sound great with my Marshall 2204. I crank my mids so maybe that's why they don't sound so "scooped" to me. I can't stand the V 30s, they hurt my ears, literally. Those are sonic ice picks IMO. I like the other 30s though, the H 30s I think they're called. And I really like the 25 w greenbacks as well.

Cheers,

CJ

 

[Reckless Abandon]

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The voice of the 80s was the 65 not the 75, it came later.

Luke

Those came out in the late 70's http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/detail.asp?ID=5

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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That's a typo or something. Anyway it's incorrect.

The G12-65's came out and replaced the G12M25's in about mid 1978. It's the 65's that came along in the late 70's, not the 75's.

That meant that most amps/cabs, particularly Marshalls, around in the early to mid 80's were indeed loaded with the 65's.

The G12M70 had a brief run between the 65's and the advent of the 75's. If you don't like the 75's, then you really won't like the 70's, as they were just plain cold toned. The 75's came along in about the mid 80's.

It's been said that the 65's and 75's are similar, but I didn't find this at all. The 65 is a little more like a GB in eq, but stays clean.

I'm just real thankful that the Vintage 30's came along when they did.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

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My cabs from 1985 (mid 80's like you said should be loaded with 65's) and its got 75's in it. Not taking sides just trying to input a bit!

 

[Jazz Rock]

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Actually, I just realised, the look is the same, but there is only G12T written on my speaker :dot:

As the amp is from the early 90's, could it be another speaker than the G12T-75?

BTW, I checked the Marshall website, and the new Vintage Modern combo comes loaded with a G12 Century. I quite like the sound of the V-M from the promotional videos I have seen. Could it be a nice replacement in my old Marshall?

Oh, and I almost forgot, does anybody knows what tube came stock in these Valvestate 8080?

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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My cabs from 1985 (mid 80's like you said should be loaded with 65's) and its got 75's in it. Not taking sides just trying to input a bit!

By 1985 the 75 had superceded the 70. An 85 cab should have the 75's. What I'm saying, and what Luke Duke was alluding to, is the fact that many of the amps and cabs avialable to many guitarists in the early to mid 80's, would have been built in the late 70 and early 80's, when the standard Celestion was the 65.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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Actually, I just realised, the look is the same, but there is only G12T written on my speaker :dot:

As the amp is from the early 90's, could it be another speaker than the G12T-75?

BTW, I checked the Marshall website, and the new Vintage Modern combo comes loaded with a G12 Century. I quite like the sound of the V-M from the promotional videos I have seen. Could it be a nice replacement in my old Marshall?

Oh, and I almost forgot, does anybody knows what tube came stock in these Valvestate 8080?

T indicates the magnet type. T is a modern version of an M or medium sized ceramic magnet. As far as I know, only the G12T75 uses the T magnet, but I could be wrong.

The G12 Century uses a neo magnet. That speaker is super efficient. It will make your amp much louder, but that may be a good thing with a SS power amp. Early reports are that it has a super tight, ultra modern, sound.

Doesn't it use the ECC83 (12AX7)? It would probably be Sovtek.

 

[Luke Duke]

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By 1985 the 75 had superceded the 70. An 85 cab should have the 75's. What I'm saying, and what Luke Duke was alluding to, is the fact that many of the amps and cabs avialable to many guitarists in the early to mid 80's, would have been built in the late 70 and early 80's, when the standard Celestion was the 65.

Yessir!

Thanks for clearing it up since I haven't been following the thread.

Luke

 

[Kamanda~SD]

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L.P.B. I see your point, I was just adding my input to help! But that does make alot of sense.

 

[Pierre]

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Arnaud, the tube in this amp is most likely just a nice lightbulb. Get a low noise valve like a EH (I like this one) and don't spend too much time selecting it. The speaker would make a lot more change.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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L.P.B. I see your point, I was just adding my input to help! But that does make alot of sense.

That's great input nonetheless Kamanda, and an important piont. In 1985 the 80's still have 5 more years to run. The 75 would become increasingly of more influance. I hope I didn't come across as if I was dissmissing your input.

 

[Jazz Rock]

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T indicates the magnet type. T is a modern version of an M or medium sized ceramic magnet. As far as I know, only the G12T75 uses the T magnet, but I could be wrong.

The G12 Century uses a neo magnet. That speaker is super efficient. It will make your amp much louder, but that may be a good thing with a SS power amp. Early reports are that it has a super tight, ultra modern, sound.

Doesn't it use the ECC83 (12AX7)? It would probably be Sovtek.

Not that I wouldn't want to play live, but so far it never happened, so for living room level, a more efficient magnet might not be the way forward.

While checking the different speaker on Celestion and Eminence I noticed that all these speaker are slightly differently rated power wise. I would guess it would be preferable to get closer to the given rating of your amp with the speaker... Or is it actually dependent on the speaker in anyway?

For the valve, I couldn't say, it is completely enclosed and I wouldn't go messing around with an amp, I know it can be dangerous. So I guess it would be a question of bringing the amp to a tech :doh: .

I have done a few recordings with the Marshall, and although it is ok, I am not very impressed with it's sound. Might be a question of settings though.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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I have always been of the opinion that the combined rating of the speakers should not be; like 6 times the amp's rating, but others have told me that it's no big deal.

It may depend on the speakers and the type of sound your after. For example, if your hoping for little breakup from GB's or alnico's, then you probably want the ratings reasonably close. This would apply mainly to tube amps as well.

For the G12T75 specifically, I have found that it responds a little better when getting hit a little harder by the amp. This isn't a breakup issue, but it just doesn't sound as weak and as thin. It seems like a 50 watt MV head turned up to 3, into G12T75 loaded 4x12 at 300 watts power handling, just isn't ideal for the G12T75. Four 75's really like turned up 100 watt amps better.
One or two in a combo or a smaller cab work better.

Another factor is that you get a slightly more scooped sound from a 4x12, compared to a 1x12 or 2x12, and the 75 certianly doesn't need any additional scooping.

 

[mr breaker]

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I like the G12T-75...I think it sounds great when used with a cranked up marshall.

I also like the G12T-75/V30 combo! I get a great mix of mids and tight bass response.

 

[anewdefguitarist]

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i've got them in a 2x12 jcm 900 and running that with my recto 1x12 i love them! it adds a lot of bottom end to my overall sound. i dunno though...most of my playing through that amp is done at live big bar venues....and im usually drinking...but i like em!!

 

[Kamanda~SD]

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That's great input nonetheless Kamanda, and an important piont. In 1985 the 80's still have 5 more years to run. The 75 would become increasingly of more influance. I hope I didn't come across as if I was dissmissing your input.

No you didn't! Not at all.

One more point I forgot to add in regards to these speakers. You got to push them, I know thats the same for the amp too...but these speakers really come alive when pushed.

 

[Jeff Seal]

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IMHO..... The G12T-75 is perfection, plain and simple..

but again, that's just my opinion

JS