Les Paul's with Floyd rose?

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If you want an overly complicated and expensive piece of machining perfection that will never stay in tune and requires constant maintenance, absolutely. For me: no damned way.

The Kahler is a Tiger, an engineering marvel that had a nearly 50/50 ratio of being destroyed in combat vs by their own tank teams to avoid falling into enemy hands when they broke. The Floyd is a T-34, simple, effective, reliable.

I don't even care if that's accurate. That's like the best description ever.
 
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I grabbed my Epi Pro/FX off of Ebay on the cheap a while back. Have wanted an LP with a Floyd on it since Lifeson first started using one (despite the fact that I HATE Floyds and other floating trems any more). It's a nice axe. Doesn't sound anything like my other LPs though (even though it's loaded with Duncan JB/59 like some of them). It's very cool to have and I plan to keep it. But it doesn't get taken out of the case very often with other great LP choices available in the man cave. If/when I do pull it out, I'll play through Limelight, and a couple of early Van Halen tunes and then put it back in the case. I should try to get a bigger trem block and see if that does something with the tone/sustain I guess...

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Re: Les Paul's with Floyd rose?

I grabbed my Epi Pro/FX off of Ebay on the cheap a while back. Have wanted an LP with a Floyd on it since Lifeson first started using one (despite the fact that I HATE Floyds and other floating trems any more). It's a nice axe. Doesn't sound anything like my other LPs though (even though it's loaded with Duncan JB/59 like some of them). It's very cool to have and I plan to keep it. But it doesn't get taken out of the case very often with other great LP choices available in the man cave. If/when I do pull it out, I'll play through Limelight, and a couple of early Van Halen tunes and then put it back in the case. I should try to get a bigger trem block and see if that does something with the tone/sustain I guess...


lemme tell ya, I've already modded the fool out of mine. found a few brand new German FR on the cheap and got that on there. since it also uses the FR Special nut, I have some German R5 nuts on the way too. installed my version of a brass fathead on the back of the head. put a FR brand brass trem claw installed and a brass block w/ a spring retainer. and KTS titanium saddle insert blocks. only other thing I'm looking at would be getting some 1 meg ohm pots for the volume and move the p/p back to the tones, where I have them wired for parallel. they are fun little guitars.
 
Re: Les Paul's with Floyd rose?

lemme tell ya, I've already modded the fool out of mine. found a few brand new German FR on the cheap and got that on there. since it also uses the FR Special nut, I have some German R5 nuts on the way too. installed my version of a brass fathead on the back of the head. put a FR brand brass trem claw installed and a brass block w/ a spring retainer. and KTS titanium saddle insert blocks. only other thing I'm looking at would be getting some 1 meg ohm pots for the volume and move the p/p back to the tones, where I have them wired for parallel. they are fun little guitars.

Okay... so the real question for you is... how close have to been able to get the FR-equipped LP to sound like a standard hardtail LP? Cause mine's not even close. It's got a weird, hollow-sounding vibe to it. And of course... the sustain is lacking. Just doesn't sound like a meaty chunk of mahogany like my normal LPs do. Of course, being an Epi... who knows what kind of wood is sandwiched between the layers of mahogany? It almost sounds like alder or something.
 
Re: Les Paul's with Floyd rose?

Okay... so the real question for you is... how close have to been able to get the FR-equipped LP to sound like a standard hardtail LP? Cause mine's not even close. It's got a weird, hollow-sounding vibe to it. And of course... the sustain is lacking. Just doesn't sound like a meaty chunk of mahogany like my normal LPs do. Of course, being an Epi... who knows what kind of wood is sandwiched between the layers of mahogany? It almost sounds like alder or something.

They have been alder in the past, either the tops or the backs. It seems like the luck of the draw as to what they'll be doing what year. That, and what passes for mahogany in a lot of the Asian factories isn't even a species of mahogany.
 
Re: Les Paul's with Floyd rose?

Okay... so the real question for you is... how close have to been able to get the FR-equipped LP to sound like a standard hardtail LP? Cause mine's not even close. It's got a weird, hollow-sounding vibe to it. And of course... the sustain is lacking. Just doesn't sound like a meaty chunk of mahogany like my normal LPs do. Of course, being an Epi... who knows what kind of wood is sandwiched between the layers of mahogany? It almost sounds like alder or something.

Couldn't tell you. Don't have a regular non-trem LP.


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Those epi's are nice. I ended up getting the traditional pro 2 with FR. I can say it does sound a little different than gold top trad pro I returned. It still has the thick full les paul sound with just a little chime added. I haven't noticed a loss in sustain.
 
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I found that there's only one floyd unit on the market that's really, really good, and that's Gotoh's. the arm doesn't wobble, at all. the block is always brass, the baseplate is always cold rolled steel, etc etc. They're just better.
 
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I got 2 axcess. Bought the first when they first came out. The second had a cracked head stock but sounded great. Had it repaired and used it as my main gigging guitar.
 
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I recently saw a ABB taping of an 1986 show and Dickey Betts had a Kahler on his Goldtop. The tone wasn't quite there, and Betts is known for his amazing tone regardless of Gibson or Fender. But it could just have been the house mix or the recording quality too. His guitar is almost buried in the mix even during solos.

Last time I was in a guitar center they were showing a Rush dvd on their big screen. The Rush guitarist was playing LP with a Floyd. It sounded like Rush, so I don't know how it would have sounded different with a regular LP???
 
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