Lets talk delays

[Hsb]

Thinking I wanna add a delay to my sound to fatten it up a bit. Ive looked at but havent played any as of yet. There are a few that have peaked my interest but not 100% sure

Only other pedal in my chain is a wah, just cuz well they are fun to play with sometimes.


Wanna keep as much of my Marshall tone as much as possible and not color it. The MXR Carbon Copy and EHX Memory Toy or Boy or Canyon have peaked my interest but not have played them, thats just on paper.

As previously stated in other posts, play mix of 80s and 90s hard rock with a dash of metal thrown in for good measure.

Help me out here fellas, lead me in the right direction(s)

 

[Mincer]

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Well, you have to decide what kind of delay you might like, and try them out. Do you need control, like tap tempo or presets, or are you after a shorter delay time but analog, with some modulation?

 

[Blille]

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If you're clueless, a way to figure out what you like is to get a delay with many modes like the Boss DD5/6/7 or the TC Flashback.

Then, depending on the more you like,we can recommend specific ones.

 

[Chistopher]

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The EHX Canyon is great. If I remember correctly it has like 13 different modes, each of them with 3, 4, or 5 adjustable parameters. It can go from simple delay, to tape delay, to Analogman, reverse delay, and it even has a looper on board. It's also got tap tempo.

It's truly an excellent sounding and versatile unit.

 

[PFDarkside]

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If you want colorless (which, are you sure about that?) a digital delay is what you want. The Carbon Copy is noticeably dark (which is great, IMO). The TC Flashback or Boss DD series are the way to go.

Analogman

Freudian slip or auto-correct, either way I approve.

 

[Hsb]

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The more Ive looked and listened to delays this morn on Youtube, maybe a lil color isnt. bad thing and seems Im more drawn to some of the more simpler delays.

Ran across the Red Witch Violetta and was kinda digging it. Not an expensive pedal by any means, but something about the simplicity of the pedal was appealing.

 

[Chistopher]

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Freudian slip or auto-correct, either way I approve.

Gosh darn, you're right. I was just checking the waitlist for my KoT. I meant Memory Man. Looks like I'm not getting any royal tones until May 21, 2020.

 

[NegativeEase]

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From a musicality perspective, the Boss DD-3 and it's derivatives are the best sounding digital pedal delays IMO. Sometime's I can't put my finger or ear on the difference, but it's pleasant in a way that's hard to describe. -but I saw an article where the some Pedal manufacturers were explaining how the way Boss uses the chip to create the delay repeat is different than how it is done today by most mfgs -I've been meaning to follow up on this statement -but I think the gist of the statement was manufacturers looking to use resources more efficiently have inadvertently given up some of the character of the original Digital Delays. -I have no idea how much there is to this BTW. worth looking into though.

That said, the TC Flashback is a very good delay. And the old Green Line 6 was super powerful as long as you didn't let it tone suck up your sound with too heavy of a wet mix.

 

[Blille]

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Gosh darn, you're right. I was just checking the waitlist for my KoT. I meant Memory Man. Looks like I'm not getting any royal tones until May 21, 2020.

I got the KoT after two years and my rig had changed in the interim so I just sold it. No need anymore. Maybe the same happens to you.

 

[dystrust]

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From a musicality perspective, the Boss DD-3 and it's derivatives are the best sounding digital pedal delays IMO. Sometime's I can't put my finger or ear on the difference, but it's pleasant in a way that's hard to describe. -but I saw an article where the some Pedal manufacturers were explaining how the way Boss uses the chip to create the delay repeat is different than how it is done today by most mfgs -I've been meaning to follow up on this statement -but I think the gist of the statement was manufacturers looking to use resources more efficiently have inadvertently given up some of the character of the original Digital Delays. -I have no idea how much there is to this BTW. worth looking into though.

That said, the TC Flashback is a very good delay. And the old Green Line 6 was super powerful as long as you didn't let it tone suck up your sound with too heavy of a wet mix.

If you're talking about the DD-2 and original DD-3, the magic is in the 12-bit analog to digital converters it uses. By today's standards the resolution is quite poor, and it causes a bit of high end to be rolled off. Unlike an analog delay the additional repeats don't get darker, so the edge gets taken off without it fading into mush. Analogman's high cut mod achieves basically the same effect on a 'new' DD-3.

 

[Diego]

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Nothing wrong with the Memory Toy, except the modulation can be VERY wobbly and overdone from factory setting. An internal trim pot solves it in two minutes.

I don't know about the CC, but I like the fact that the Toy (mine, at least) has a modest volume boost when on, so in the loop it doubles as a delay and a solo boost.

Can't recommend it over the others because I haven't tried them, but I like mine. It's simple, reliable and effective.

 

[NegativeEase]

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If you're talking about the DD-2 and original DD-3, the magic is in the 12-bit analog to digital converters it uses. By today's standards the resolution is quite poor, and it causes a bit of high end to be rolled off. Unlike an analog delay the additional repeats don't get darker, so the edge gets taken off without it fading into mush. Analogman's high cut mod achieves basically the same effect on a 'new' DD-3.

This sounds right. perhaps the lower resolution gives the delay its musicality? as everyone knows detail/fidelity is lost with each reverberation in the natural world.

 

[Old Guy]

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If you want to play high gain stuff, I would not recommend an analog delay. As mentioned, especially with the Carbon Copy, I personally find they darken the tone some (which is awesome with mid gain stuff), but will really muddy up the tone for high gain/metal stuff.

DD-5 would be my pick, but I've never tried the Strymon stuff.

 

[Diego]

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If you want to play high gain stuff, I would not recommend an analog delay. As mentioned, especially with the Carbon Copy, I personally find they darken the tone some (which is awesome with mid gain stuff), but will really muddy up the tone for high gain/metal stuff.

DD-5 would be my pick, but I've never tried the Strymon stuff.

That's interesting, because I would definitely recommend an analog delay for high gain.

My logic is that since the repeats are slightly darker, they don't get in the way for what's being played as much. I used to own a DD3 and it just got in the way a bit too much frequency wise, while my Memory Toy has a rolled off high end that blends better for me. I love darker sounding delays for high-gain leads, but that's me of course.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

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My advice: Own at least two delays — one analog, one digital, and as many others as you are keen to buy. For best results, make sure at least one of them is deluxe.

 

[Aceman]

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To just "Fatten" up my tone, I'm thinking that we are a) Talking shorter delays (< 300ms) and that b) fatter sounding is better

So I will recommend an analog delay of your choice - but many digital delays have an analog "tone" button or setting or whatever.
- MXR Carbon Copy is a can't miss with modulated delay bonus (a tone-fattening option also!)
- The classic AD-9 is my go to
- I believe Memory toy is analog

However...a lot of 0's hard rock was purely the realm of crisp digital lexicon delay. So a Boss DD-3 may well serve you better for those kinds of sounds.

I fully agree with LPB - get one off each.

*Not terribly experienced with the TC's but the tone print option is a cool feature.

 

[Securb]

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I am another proponent of multiple delays. I use my DD7 for my multi tap stuff and the Carbon Copy to fatten some leads. If you are looking to fatten you tone you might also want to look into some harmonizers. BOSS makes a very affordable one.

 

[Mincer]

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Well, I gotta root for the home team. The Vapor Trail has a wonderful tone and modulation, and that very cool effects loop. The Andromeda benefits from being all digital with presets and dynamic control.

 

[Gtrjunior]

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I have the Andromeda and it is indeed an awesome pedal.
The “ducking” feature is pretty impressive and I like that it is midi controllable. It does everything I need it to do.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

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...I'm not getting any royal tones until May 21, 2020.

March 14, 2020 for me. I'll let you know how it is.